Cliff_Johns
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Boondox,
If you put garlic in Clementine's food would her breath smell as sweet?
Cliff
If you put garlic in Clementine's food would her breath smell as sweet?
Cliff
It tastes like DOG FOOD!
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Andy, are you sure that one of the kids aren't slipping their "best friend" something on the sly? Does she go days without pooping? Watch her, I'll bet she's eating something and is just not hungry.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ................... but I wouldn't let the vet talk you into his Hill's food. There are foods out there just as good and much cheaper.
Good luck! Keep us posted. )</font>
Please tell me what foods are "out there" that are just as good and much cheaper than Hill's Kidney Diet ???
Good luck! Keep us posted. )</font>
Please tell me what foods are "out there" that are just as good and much cheaper than Hill's Kidney Diet ???
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Please tell me what foods are "out there" that are just as good and much cheaper than Hill's Kidney Diet ??? )</font>
Sure. A 20 lb bag of Hill's K/D cost $35 in my area (I just called my vet). I sell a 40 lb bag of Canidae for $31.85. Double the food and LESS money. If I were to sell Innova, I would sell a 33 lb bag for around $37. A couple bucks more for 13 lbs more. These are two foods, I'm not going to price out all of the holistic dog foods out there (Azmira, Solid Gold, Royal Canin, Flint River....), but do I need to? This is what I meant by a lot cheaper and you will hear arguements from all these companies why their food can be fed to dogs with renal failure, also, which is what Hill's K/D is geared towards.
Blackwood, which isn't a holistic food, has a Catfish and Potato food aimed at competing with Hill's K/D also. If I remember right a 40# bag sells for around $34.
Sure. A 20 lb bag of Hill's K/D cost $35 in my area (I just called my vet). I sell a 40 lb bag of Canidae for $31.85. Double the food and LESS money. If I were to sell Innova, I would sell a 33 lb bag for around $37. A couple bucks more for 13 lbs more. These are two foods, I'm not going to price out all of the holistic dog foods out there (Azmira, Solid Gold, Royal Canin, Flint River....), but do I need to? This is what I meant by a lot cheaper and you will hear arguements from all these companies why their food can be fed to dogs with renal failure, also, which is what Hill's K/D is geared towards.
Blackwood, which isn't a holistic food, has a Catfish and Potato food aimed at competing with Hill's K/D also. If I remember right a 40# bag sells for around $34.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I sincerly appologise if anything I wrote sounded like a personal statement. It was not my intention at all. )</font>
Sorry. My bad, Cliff. I guess I just didn't like the sounds of you calling something proven as anecdotal evidence. Not when it's something I learned from others and experienced myself and not just something I read.
I did go through some websites and specifically read statements that dogs and cats can't get salmonella because of their short, highly acidic digestive tracts, but nothing specifically backed up by a veterinary school. I would think there is proof somewhere other than people feeding raw and not having their pets get it to the point where it makes them sick, but I'm not going to search all day. I've got a little snow to plow /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I also read recipes where it tells you to add a raw egg, shell and all, to a raw diet, but you are entirely correct where it does affect other things such as B vitamins. It's not for everyday use and probably not with sickly animals.
At any rate, the thing is to get Andy's dog eating again and if stopping eating isn't normal, which it obviously isn't or he wouldn't have posted, then a trip to the vet is in order if the dog isn't getting food from elsewhere.
Sorry. My bad, Cliff. I guess I just didn't like the sounds of you calling something proven as anecdotal evidence. Not when it's something I learned from others and experienced myself and not just something I read.
I did go through some websites and specifically read statements that dogs and cats can't get salmonella because of their short, highly acidic digestive tracts, but nothing specifically backed up by a veterinary school. I would think there is proof somewhere other than people feeding raw and not having their pets get it to the point where it makes them sick, but I'm not going to search all day. I've got a little snow to plow /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I also read recipes where it tells you to add a raw egg, shell and all, to a raw diet, but you are entirely correct where it does affect other things such as B vitamins. It's not for everyday use and probably not with sickly animals.
At any rate, the thing is to get Andy's dog eating again and if stopping eating isn't normal, which it obviously isn't or he wouldn't have posted, then a trip to the vet is in order if the dog isn't getting food from elsewhere.
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Freds;
How about the low down on purenia fit and trim and such. My dads chocolate lab loved Joy dog food and he always fed her that. The store doesn't sell Joy anymore and dad has passed on; so we are now careing for his 15 yr old lab. I started getting her the purenia fit and trim. Just wondered if you knew how it stacked up to all those brands you mentioned.
Thanks,
Moon of Ohio
How about the low down on purenia fit and trim and such. My dads chocolate lab loved Joy dog food and he always fed her that. The store doesn't sell Joy anymore and dad has passed on; so we are now careing for his 15 yr old lab. I started getting her the purenia fit and trim. Just wondered if you knew how it stacked up to all those brands you mentioned.
Thanks,
Moon of Ohio
Freds
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Here's a link with lots of info. The site is not attached to or funded by any foods, raw or commercial, just has lots of info.
Dof food info
The first three ingredients in Purina Fit n Trim is: ground yellow corn, soybean hulls and corn gluten meal. Hmmm, when was the last time you saw a dog grazing farmland /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Obviously the way it is keeping the pooch trim is by not giving him anything he can actually digest and get value out of. I've always been a believer in just feeding less food.
Lots of dogs get along fine on low cost foods and owning a boarding facility I see it every day, but many of them show signs of not being in the best of health either, such as runny eyes, dry skin, dull coats, licking their feet all the time... all signs that can mean allergic reactions to food, but they ARE old, so they're getting by.
I have seen first hand dogs switched to a better food, Canidae in this case because it's the food I choose to sell, whose owners have told me that they wish they hadn't switched because of the increased energy levels in their senior citizen dogs. I have seen dogs start growing hair back in bald spots, get the shine back in their coats and I have had customers notice the same things and tell me.
Not to mention that you really can feed less food if it's better quality (meaning a high digestabilty rate, what goes in comes out in much smaller quantities). I board a GSD that went from 8 cups of Puppy Chow a day down to 4 cups of Canidae a day. You don't think there was less to scoop, too /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif You might not see any physical difference in this dog because he's young now, but it's the long term effect your looking for. The same as in people's diets, but I do admit, given the choice of eating chicken wings everyday or grilled chicken breast... I'll take the wings /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Dof food info
The first three ingredients in Purina Fit n Trim is: ground yellow corn, soybean hulls and corn gluten meal. Hmmm, when was the last time you saw a dog grazing farmland /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Obviously the way it is keeping the pooch trim is by not giving him anything he can actually digest and get value out of. I've always been a believer in just feeding less food.
Lots of dogs get along fine on low cost foods and owning a boarding facility I see it every day, but many of them show signs of not being in the best of health either, such as runny eyes, dry skin, dull coats, licking their feet all the time... all signs that can mean allergic reactions to food, but they ARE old, so they're getting by.
I have seen first hand dogs switched to a better food, Canidae in this case because it's the food I choose to sell, whose owners have told me that they wish they hadn't switched because of the increased energy levels in their senior citizen dogs. I have seen dogs start growing hair back in bald spots, get the shine back in their coats and I have had customers notice the same things and tell me.
Not to mention that you really can feed less food if it's better quality (meaning a high digestabilty rate, what goes in comes out in much smaller quantities). I board a GSD that went from 8 cups of Puppy Chow a day down to 4 cups of Canidae a day. You don't think there was less to scoop, too /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif You might not see any physical difference in this dog because he's young now, but it's the long term effect your looking for. The same as in people's diets, but I do admit, given the choice of eating chicken wings everyday or grilled chicken breast... I'll take the wings /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Thanks for the link and your thoughts on this. Seems I learn something new on TBN every day!!!!
Moon of Ohio
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Freds
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Glad you found the info intersting, Moon. Here's another link that may be of interest. This is why you should try to feed the best kibble you can find, but like I said, I've seen lots of older dogs that ate low quality foods their whole life and they seem to do OK. I'll try not to misspell it this time.
raw info
raw info
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I worked in a dog food factory for 21 years, you wouldn't believe what you are feeding your dog. Spleens, livers, hearts, chicken neck and backs, lungs-this is in canned dog food. The dry dog food is 99% grain and is sprayed with fat from a rendering works. Oh, I forgot the meatmeal which is rendered animals (all animals) that is ground into a powder (this way they can say it actually has beef in it. If the food you are feeding has colors in it, it is dye that is added to be appealing to the human feeding the dog. Dogs are colorblind, the dye is only in there to stain your carpet. Huge profits are what drive the pet food industry, not unlike all industry. Read the ingredients labels and feed your pet quality food.
