"It's Easier to Bury a Tradition Than a Child"

[PAB_OH]

In our youth when we were riding on the fenders and draw bars of tractors we did not have the Civil Litigation or Child Protective Laws and Services we have today. In about all States today it is a felony to intentionally expose a child to a dangerous incident or situation.

I think a first year law student could win a felony conviction against someone who had a child riding on an ATV, tractor or lawnmower and the child was injured or killed. Most states now have laws regulating at what age a teenager can operate an ATV. The agriculture segment of society is slowly having legislation enacted by states to have age restrictions on access to agriculture equipment.

A Law Professor in a Torts class one time made the following statement: 典he only accident is an act of God. All other incidents are caused by mankind and are governed by Federal, State and Local Laws or Civil Litigation.納/quote]

I don't know what to say. You almost sound like you are happy about it. That last little tid-bit you spewed is the scariest of all though. Lawyers would LOVE for the ignorant masses to belive that line of crap. Accidents are UNINTENDED, not acts of God!

Wow, what a steaming pile of fecal material. You can't make it illegal to be stupid, no matter how hard you try. You will inevitably infringe on others RIGHTS. I know that matters little to most people as long as the government keeps subsidizing the lazy lifestyles most have become accustomed to. Really, really scary. Lawyers able to sue for EVERYTHING? Now there's a thought.

 

[Soundguy]

How about this one.. the GC I work for has an office on a corner at an intersection. a few ys ago.. a 16yr old girl got a car for her bday.. on first drive,, she rant he stop sign at the intersection and pulle dout in front of a semi.. killed her. maimed her boyfriend.

familly sued the :

semi truck company

driver

company that owned the freight inthe trailer

our company on the corner

the owner of our company, personally

the jiffy store on the other corner

the owner of the jiffy store

the county the road was located on

the company that put up the stoplamps and signs.

the bloodsucking lawyer managed to get a 10k$ each settlement out of all insurance companies involved in order to settle the case.. all the co's figured this was cheaper than defending it...

yeah.. we need more lawyers... and mosquitos.. and fireants.. and termites.. ticks... fleas.. mites...and harmfull viri strains...

ok.. I'm done with the soapbox.. who wants it next.

( ok..to be fair.. not all lawyers are bad.. just the bloodsucking greedy ambulance chaser ones.. ..so if you aren't one of those.. I'm not talking about you.. ... )


soundguy

 

[unreconstructed]

My Granddad was 52 in 1918 when my Dad was born. So Daddy was raised by a tough customer who remembered "the young men standing guard against the Comanches while everyone was inside attending church services". I came along in 1950 and Daddy had no reservations about perching me aboard his UB Moline when I was 9 and could barely see over the wheel. He had me pulling a sandfighter--no shade, no air, no cab, no power steering--he put a rope around the seat and fenders and said "if you start to fall off, grab the rope". Turning that UB with the tricycle front end was a trick for a little guy--if the front wheels got caught in a row I was not strong enough to control the steering wheel and had to be careful not to get my wrist broke in the steering wheel spokes. That's just one story.

I raised my son in town and he never experienced the farm life and certainly did not experience my Dad.. I would not have taken those risks. Nevertheless I tried to be as hard on him as city living allowed using my concrete/rock projects as the device. Always tried to be safe and use common sense. He has always told me that some of the "stuff" I made him do made him a little tougher than some of the other kids his age. He just got back from 15 months on the Pakistan border. Maybe some of that raising paid off, I don't know.

Anyhow, there's a mix to be had between being safe and being a little hard. Like my Mom said, never test fate.

 

[Gator6x4]

In our youth when we were riding on the fenders and draw bars of tractors we did not have the Civil Litigation or Child Protective Laws and Services we have today. In about all States today it is a felony to intentionally expose a child to a dangerous incident or situation.

I think a first year law student could win a felony conviction against someone who had a child riding on an ATV, tractor or lawnmower and the child was injured or killed. Most states now have laws regulating at what age a teenager can operate an ATV. The agriculture segment of society is slowly having legislation enacted by states to have age restrictions on access to agriculture equipment.

A Law Professor in a Torts class one time made the following statement: 典he only accident is an act of God. All other incidents are caused by mankind and are governed by Federal, State and Local Laws or Civil Litigation.納/quote]

I don't know what to say. You almost sound like you are happy about it. That last little tid-bit you spewed is the scariest of all though. Lawyers would LOVE for the ignorant masses to belive that line of crap. Accidents are UNINTENDED, not acts of God!

Wow, what a steaming pile of fecal material. You can't make it illegal to be stupid, no matter how hard you try. You will inevitably infringe on others RIGHTS. I know that matters little to most people as long as the government keeps subsidizing the lazy lifestyles most have become accustomed to. Really, really scary. Lawyers able to sue for EVERYTHING? Now there's a thought.

Exactly the point the Law Professor was trying to make, you cannot legislate away stupidity. Society recognizing this has enacted criminal and civil laws to insure stupid people who do stupid things that caused harm or damage to others are held accountable for their action.

 

[PAB_OH]

Exactly the point the Law Professor was trying to make, you cannot legislate away stupidity. Society recognizing this has enacted criminal and civil laws to insure stupid people who do stupid things that caused harm or damage to others are held accountable for their action.

In doing so you have make the ACT illegal. That is precisely the problem. One man doing something may get himself or someone else killed. I on the other hand know how to mitigate the risks. But you have to make the act illegal. There's no way to say stupid people can not do something but those with common sense can. That's my rub with the line of reasoning the professor has. If I do something to put myself at risks that is my business and whether you or anyone else likes it the same applies to my children. If I determine it to be safe then it's my call. I don't want the government telling me I can't take my kids for a tractor ride until they're 18 years old or something like that.

We as a society have been told what we can and can't do in areas of our lives the government has no business being. And yet we invite them in time after time to protect us from ourselves. I'm tired of it and won't stand by while others act like it is by the Grace of God that these pencil-pushing idiots are doing all this crap.

 

[gemini5362]

How about this one.. the GC I work for has an office on a corner at an intersection. a few ys ago.. a 16yr old girl got a car for her bday.. on first drive,, she rant he stop sign at the intersection and pulle dout in front of a semi.. killed her. maimed her boyfriend.

familly sued the :

semi truck company

driver

company that owned the freight inthe trailer

our company on the corner

the owner of our company, personally

the jiffy store on the other corner

the owner of the jiffy store

the county the road was located on

the company that put up the stoplamps and signs.

the bloodsucking lawyer managed to get a 10k$ each settlement out of all insurance companies involved in order to settle the case.. all the co's figured this was cheaper than defending it...

yeah.. we need more lawyers... and mosquitos.. and fireants.. and termites.. ticks... fleas.. mites...and harmfull viri strains...

ok.. I'm done with the soapbox.. who wants it next.

( ok..to be fair.. not all lawyers are bad.. just the bloodsucking greedy ambulance chaser ones.. ..so if you aren't one of those.. I'm not talking about you.. ... )


soundguy

Soundguy it sounds to me like the people with the problem are the insurance companies. They are more worried about the bottom line than anything else. As long as you have that mentality there are going to be people like that attorney who will exploit it. My wife is an attorney and I have probably heard worse stories than you have. Actually I have seen an example of how far some attorneys go. My wife who is an attorney and has a license in two states was involved in an accident. The accident was not her fault and no one was injured. For the next two weeks after her accident we recieved letters from attorneys wanting to take her case. They had never bothered to see what she did for a living just saw her name in the police report. However there are people like that in every branch of life. For example I noticed you work for a general contractor. By a coincidence my wife specializes in real estate law. I have heard a LOT of stories about contractors. I love the story about the people who hired a general contractor to build their custom house. They paid him draws at the contractually agreed on points. The contractor finished the house and they had paid him the final agreed upon draw for his work. He sent them a bill for several tens of thousands of dollars more. When they asked him what it was for he said because he had not noticed there house was two story when he gave them a bid price. The blue prints had all the specs for the first floor on it and then it had all the specs for the second floor on it and they were marked respecively first floor and second floor but he claimed he did not notice it was two story. By this time they had hundreds of thousands of dollars in this house and the only way to clear their construction loan was to have him sign off that the house was paid for. He knew that and just wanted more money. The point I am trying to make is that every profession has bloodsuckers. Singling out one profession and painting them all with that brush is offensive. The problem is what I said earlier in this post. Too many people now look at the bottom line. They look at what it cost to fight something then what they can get out of it for. As long as that is the most accepted attitude then we will see people preying on others.

 

[Soundguy]

I disagree.. the insurance companies have learned to settle their risks low, if possible, to avoid litigation witht he blood suckers.. that's my gut feeling anyway..

soundguy

 

[Egon]

Darned, any time I have been in need of advice of the legal variety there has always been a Lawyer available who has given his services at a reasonable rate. Some have even gone a little beyond in offering service at a very reasonable rate.

 

[PAB_OH]

The problem is what I said earlier in this post. Too many people now look at the bottom line. They look at what it cost to fight something then what they can get out of it for. As long as that is the most accepted attitude then we will see people preying on others.

Gotta disagree. I would think the parents of the girl have some say. It is after all THEIR lawsuit I would imagine. It's called personal responsibility. I was involved in a semi-serious accident when I was 19. Not my fault, some 16 YO kid nailed me at 60 mph from behind. Never hit the brakes. Me and my wife (fiance at the time) were injured. The lawyers came swooping in telling us we would never have to work again, etc..

Don't get me wrong, I was hurt and so was my wife but we were okay. I told the lawyers to take a hike. Settled on one in our area who was reasonably well respected. Even HE tried to get us to go after them for everything. I told him to stick to our initial figure.

Most accident lawyers I've ever met are crooked. That's just me. I'm not judging them all, just all that I know. In the case cited above, both the lawyers and parents were crooked.

 

[PAB_OH]

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