I've never heard of using a piece of chain to.....

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I have ask if anyone had first hand knowledge of a mower ever flipping several times on this site. I have never heard from anyone. There are always tails of the neighbors brother, in laws cousin having it happen. I have used a chain for years, because I got tired of straighting my third arms. I have never had a problem and doubt that I ever will.
 
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Not quite sure I understand your comment, I just started my
26th year in the tractor business, and to date have been on 3 recoverys of bushhogs with chains flipped over against the roll bar on one, and two far enough over to flatten the fenders on the other two. Not trying to argue with anyone, it's just not one of the safest practices out there.It's just not worth getting hurt!
 
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This one is what i use and it is manufacture with chain supports
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Joe
I don't mean or want to argue with you, but what you are describing is physically impossible (and I refer to the comment that they will flip over on top of you).

And your comment ""..3 recoverys of bushhogs with chains flipped over against the roll bar on one, and two far enough over to flatten the fenders on the other two.."" are neither one over the top of the person in the seat. Saved by the ROPS. That is why I made the "NOT" comment.

I don't argue that a chain will allow the raising of rear of the rotary cutter to an almost verticle position, but it will not come past that verticle position. I feel a chain will allow the cutter to be backed up a bank (which is the way I use mine) without bending the braces. Now granted, as commented, there is a need and worry to not compress the PTO shaft further than it is trimmed out for, as that will, or may damage the shaft.

I just don't want to see the hype of danger that isn't real. Please forgive me if I misinterpreted your statement that the rotary cutter can come over the top of the operator.

A picture of what you are speaking of, if other than my interpretation, would be great.
 
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Daedong
That is the same as the chain I rigged on my Deere rotary cutter. It works great.
 
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Beenthere: Thanks for explaining your NOT comment. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seriously, tho, I suggest that using a length of chain in place of a toplink is not a very good idea. As I stated before, I have used one and chose a different method after one mowing season.

It seems that those fellas who typically choose a chain instead of a solid toplink are usually trying to overcome some specific problem – mainly needing more mower flexing. In my case, the problem was super hilly ground with lots of creeks and hills to mow. With a chain system, I could let the mower flex all it wanted while mowing up and down those hills and it would remain pretty level with the ground. BUT, my mower was an old one and it had a A frame tower with a SOLID, not moveable toplink attachment point. Also, I needed check chains between the tractor toplink bracket and the tractor lift arms to maintain a constant mowing height. Boy, I had chains going everywhere on that old mower! Anyway, the chain method did a pretty good job for me, but I was extremely careful and even then, I did wipe out a set of u joints due to all the mower flexing.

What I want to emphasize is this:
Chain in place of a solid toplink can work just fine under certain circumstances, but a chain method has the potential to be dangerous in some circumstances, too.

For example, the most dangerous situation I could imagine would be an operator using an old mower with 2 point style or with no A frame tower support (or a inadequate one which is all bent up or was removed) AND it was used on an older tractor with no ROPS, AND an operator mowing at excessive ground speeds AND inadvertantly hitting a hidden stump in the grass making contact with the front part of the deck. The result of this combination COULD be that the deck might pivot forward at the lift arm pins, breaking the PTO shaft then the deck coming further forward making contact with the rear of the tractor - POTENTIALLY striking the operator.

My concern is that when the PTO fails, the momenum of the still swinging mower blade and a now free, swirling PTO shaft (or pieces of it) could possibly clobber the poor operator!

With that in mind, I suggest, if possible, that readers here at TBN consider the following:
-If your toplink A frame tower is solid with no moveable bracket installed, then fabricate a moveable bracket for your mower - just like all the modern ones on the market have today. Or look at my photo for some ideas.

-Keep your ground speed very low while hogging in tall, unknown areas. You never know what you could hit. (My buddy hit a small fawn with his bush hog one time…yuck!)
-If you’re using a toplink instead of a chain, your potential for bending/breaking the PTO shaft is considerably less because the toplink and the A frame is acting as a kind of a limiting device for how much the rear of the mower can be raised into the air.

So, it seems to me that the toplink is in place is primarily to –
- allow raising the rear wheel off the ground to transport the mower freely,
- limit the flexing of the mower minimizing undo stress on the PTO shaft U joints
- AND lastly, maybe a tiny bit of assurance from it flipping up, should you hit an obstacle.

dwight
 
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Howdy mate! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Nice lookin' mower you're makin there. It looks like an excellent quality machine.

About the chain topic.
THe chain Ive been talking about relates to the use of a short length of chain as a substitute for the actual toplink arm which extends from the tractor out horizontally to the mower A frame tower. It seems YOUR mower has a solid toplink, BUT has chains that extend from the toplink tower rearward toward the tailwheel. So that's a little different than what I was talking about.

So I think your system is a good one. Id buy one from you! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

dwight
 
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One dealer has three and no even one other dealer anywhere.
 

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