J.D. Quick Change ???

   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #11  
"I have wondered about the strength of the two pins when backblading with the bucket though."

Are you talking about the short pins welded to the loader bucket, or the lynch pins placed in the holes in the end of those short welded pins?

The short welded pins are about Cat 1 size aren't they? I think the Cat 1 pins on the 3pt sustain much more stress pulling a full boxblade that's digging into the turf than backblading with a loader bucket will generate.

The lynch pins might not last a long time with backblading (?), but they might do just fine. If they don't, they are pretty cheap to replace (10 cents) at TSC.

OkieG
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #12  
I was wondering more about the two short pins that are welded to the bucket. These would primarily be in tension during backblading. It wasn't a big question with me until I bought these pins from JD in order to convert my non-quick-attach bucket. The pin (I don't have it in front of me right now) is about 1" in diameter but was turned down to about 5/8" diameter or so on the end that gets welded. It's as if you drill a 5/8" hole in your bucket, stick this pin with it's 5/8" pilot shaft in to the hole and then weld the 5/8" pilot to the bucket from the inside (which by the way you cannot access from the inside of the the old style bucket. It has a cavity built in for strength. This is why I haven't done the conversion yet). At that time I looked at JD quick-attach buckets and saw no evidence that there was any welding on the 1" diameter part of the pin. My thinking is that this smaller cross section is what is carrying the load and while JD may do it differently than I can see, I wasn't sure my welding skills were going to properly anchor this pin. All this being said, My father has a 1070 JD and what I believe is their light duty bucket and I have backbladed with it and no problem. I guess the issue is really my ability to duplicate what they have more so than if what they have holds up or not!

The lynch pins would be in double shear so I haven't wondered about them too much.

Greg
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #13  
In Gunfighters picture, I cannot tell how that setup is quick attach/detach /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif. I'm not alone either, as I have shown it to other people.

The "Bobcat" style suits me just fine /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif


RedDog <font color=orange> Kioti DK65 </font color=orange>
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #14  
It appears that the bucket hangs from the hooks welded to the top of the bucket and latches at the bottom, then releases by pushing the small levers on each side.
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #15  
It is a quicktach, that picks up the bucket under the hooks at the top of the bucket, then when lifting, the buckets lower two pins (tapered) center into the FEL hole, after which each pin gets secured with a lynch pin. It works well. Similar to the Bobcat in that one has to first hook the bucket, then lift the arms to engage the lower part of the bucket. After that, the bucket can be secured. There are no bolt-type pins that have to aligned as some buckets require. Everthing is done from the seat, except dropping in the lynch pins, which are stored in the loader frame. There was a thread that presented a home-made Deere system but I cannot find it. Good pictures there that showed the design and fabrication of the hooks and the centering pins.
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #16  
Beenthere is right on time with the explanation. Notice the lynch pin at the bottom of the picture. I believe that it is retained with a cable to prevent loss. There is one on the other side of the tractor as well. If you removed these two lynch pins then you just lower the boom and back up the tractor and your unhooked. At the top of the assembly, welded to the bucket, is the hook, one on each side of the bucket. This carries most of the load and is accordingly more robust.

Look closely at the picture near the lynch pin. There is an interesting looking hole punched in the metal frame that I believe is used to store your lynch pin to keep it from dangling or getting lost if there is not a retaining cable. My dad's bucket bracket has a similiar looking cutout but it is right at the edge of the bucket and easy to flip the pin onto. A neat feature.

I really like the system and am building a shrub removal bucket that will quick attach for my father's tractor. The only thing that has me thinking is how I am going to attach those two little short pins to the new bucket or any other attachment for that matter. As described earlier, these pins have a shoulder turned on the end that gets welded. The pin is about 1" dia. and the turned part is about 5/8"dia. The turned length is about 1/4". I am going from memory but these dim's are close. Imagine drilling a 5/8" dia. hole in the bucket or attachments back plate which would be about 3/16 to 1/4" thick. When the pin is mated to the backplate, the pin could then be welded in two places. One place is on the side of the bucket where the 1" dia part of the pin is. The problem here is I am seeing no evidence that JD is applying a weld here and it is probably because this is where the tractors mating bracket seats up smartly to the bucket and a weld would be in the way.

The only other place to weld is on the inside the bucket where the 5/8" dia part of the pin is sitting flush with the surface of the steel bucket material. If I were to lay a bead following this 5/8" diameter circular path, then I would have a linear bead length of 1.96". My problem here is I can't see how JD did it on my father's bucket because the bucket has a hollow fabricated in it in this region and I can't see in there.

Continuing on, I will underestimate, or maybe not, and say I am getting 1/16" penetration on my weld and it beads up another 1/16" giving me an overall weld thickness of 1/8". This would give a total weld cross sectional area of about .25 in sqr. for this one pin. both pins would give a weld area of .50 in sqr and this is what is in shear when backblading.

Maybe there something I'm missing or I'm not doing something right or maybe I'm too cautious I don't know. Like I said before, there has never been a problem with my father's and the system works great. I'll probably weld it on just like I explained.

Greg
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ???
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#17  
Did some price checking on the ATI TACH-ALL Quick Attach
The part that goes on the tractor list for $480.00 an the plate
you weld/bolt to the attachment is $100/$150 each...

The dealers in my area are not known for discounts so I plan
to check elsewhere. Also going to try another J.D. dealer
to see about the J.D. Quick Change
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #18  
Since u are building your own set-up,
why not make the pin like a nail, 2" dia.
head and leave the body 1".
Install it from the inside out.
If the back side was chamfered 45* angle
the full 1/4" thickness of bucket more weld
could be put there and not interfere w/ mount.
If u put this mount on the double wall buckets,
drill 1" hole thru both layers and weld on inside
of bucket and on back side w/ chamfer like above.
I would make pins 1" dia. (cheaper and stronger)
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #19  
Hoeman00,

I was trying to make do with what I was given but with access to a machine shop and the strength of your solution, I think I'll have a couple of big "nails" made. Yeh, I believe that is the way to go. Thanks.

Greg
 
   / J.D. Quick Change ??? #20  
Here is a picture of the conversion parts I bought. They are called "holders" at the dealership. Not shown are the two weld-on "hooks", the two short weld-on pins and a long 1"dia. shaft. This shaft replaces the two bottom pins that holds the original bucket to the boom. It is long and pinned to both holders in order to relate them when there is no bucket attached. I am not sure this shaft is really necessary because one of the little 1/4" dia pins sheared on my dads, not sure how. This lets the two holders rotate at different times since they are operated by two now "independent" cylinders. Not a big deal. Just fully extend the bucker cylinders to match them up when you start the process of attaching the bucket to the tractor.

These holders are for a 440 loader in particular, maybe others. They are still available at the dealer (P/N: JOH AW28607) and now cost $68.09 each (LR and RH, just called today). I have the other part numbers except for the shaft if anybody wants them. The two hooks cost $8.27 ea. and the two pins were $4.67 ea. Pretty reasonable cost especially on the implement side when modifying.

I think the loader shown in your photo may be a bigger set-up.

Greg
 

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