JD 14T Baler Advice

[CumminsLuke]

And you despise green????
You should immediately shift that terrible green baler to VT where we will suffer with it...

What I meant was I am not a JD fan, but my old 24T sure has been good. If my JD 4600 tractor was as well made as my 24T baler I'd probably like JD better. Had two 5000 series deere tractors and this 4600 I got now, and I haven't like any of them. Soon as I can afford it we will have another Kubota M7040 instead of that green 4600.

 

[zzvyb6]

I use a 14T. Easy to run, low power reqmnts' I used it behind a 22hp Yanmar. Parts available. Manual(s) from eBay (I think I have parts book and manual in pdf file around here somewhere). The files are too big to attach, if you want them I can PM them to you.

I would not tow it home. The wheel bearing spindles are a bit weak and may break the bearing case if you hit a pot hole, curb or bump. Instead, rent a trailer, back it on crossways (park in a ditch) then swing the tongue all the way over to the pickup side. May have to remove the hinge bolt to do this.

The wheels are 4 bolt on the pickup side but 6 bolt on the plunger side. TSC has tires and tubes.when you get it home. Go to the JD website and look up agriculture / parts. Enter machine model 24T. They don't have the 14T but the 24T is its younger sister. This is an easy machine to work on, time, thread and maintain. The price is right. With 30 acres you'll have a good chance to pay for all your other required machinery (rake and mower) in the first year.

 

[atgreene]

It's just not reasonable to expect a baler built in the 1950's to compare with a baler built in the 1980's or later.

Parts for Deere balers are unbelievably easy and quick to get, where the NEw Holland balers, especially once they got a few years on them, weren't supported quite as well, especially on the local dealer level. New Holland does an adaquate job of supplying parts, but relative to Deere's parts and service availability, the best NH can do is second. (NO ONE supports their products any better than Deere) The claim of "twice the ground speed with less HP" shot holes in the credability of your claims. Absolutely ridiculous. The ONLY way that would be true in any regard is if you're comparing NH VS DEERE balers made several generations apart. And that ISN'T a legitimate comparison. Comparable models from each brand are very simular in capacities and have been all along. Neither has EVER had a competing model that is capable of 100% more production that the other. Again, total nonsense.

I certainly disagree with you. Both of our 14 T Balers and the 24 T were no match for this New Holland. My father has baled hay with a lot of different balers for over 50 years. The NH has really impressed both of us. In the same field, with the same tractor we are traveling in much high gears and doing it with less effort on the part of the tractor. And yes, the bale count is virtually the same from year to year, so the total crop is equal, I have no reason to exagerate here, just telling it like it is.

As for banana bales, we've had them all. Both 14 T's and the 24 T would do the same and the miss ration of knots was about 1 in 100 on a good day. The NH is guranteed to miss the first bale, after that almost never. I will give you this, we bought it from a NH collector who rebuilt the baler and is a fanatic about setting them up properly. He even guaranteed the baler for 1 year. When we asked about it missing 1 in 50 or so when we first tried it he came down and put a new knotter on it. His statement to us was that it shouldn't miss any, and thus far he's right.

As for parts, go to your local dealer and ask for the fingers for a 14T. You will find that they are no longer made and the dealer will give you a flyer on how to cut and grind so as to adapt a newer style (24T?) to a 14T. Likewise the billhook? or maybe the billhook shaft was no longer available? but something could be adapted with some work. When it comes to knotters we felt that cutting and grinding something to fit into a knotter was going to lead to disaster.

I'm not sure why you would personally attack me when our discussion here is about balers. I'm sure you would be offended if I attacked you in the same way, so I have to assume you are a better person than that and you happen to be having a bad day.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I certainly disagree with you. Both of our 14 T Balers and the 24 T were no match for this New Holland. My father has baled hay with a lot of different balers for over 50 years. The NH has really impressed both of us. In the same field, with the same tractor we are traveling in much high gears and doing it with less effort on the part of the tractor. And yes, the bale count is virtually the same from year to year, so the total crop is equal, I have no reason to exagerate here, just telling it like it is.

As for banana bales, we've had them all. Both 14 T's and the 24 T would do the same and the miss ration of knots was about 1 in 100 on a good day. The NH is guranteed to miss the first bale, after that almost never. I will give you this, we bought it from a NH collector who rebuilt the baler and is a fanatic about setting them up properly. He even guaranteed the baler for 1 year. When we asked about it missing 1 in 50 or so when we first tried it he came down and put a new knotter on it. His statement to us was that it shouldn't miss any, and thus far he's right.

As for parts, go to your local dealer and ask for the fingers for a 14T. You will find that they are no longer made and the dealer will give you a flyer on how to cut and grind so as to adapt a newer style (24T?) to a 14T. Likewise the billhook? or maybe the billhook shaft was no longer available? but something could be adapted with some work. When it comes to knotters we felt that cutting and grinding something to fit into a knotter was going to lead to disaster.

I'm not sure why you would personally attack me when our discussion here is about balers. I'm sure you would be offended if I attacked you in the same way, so I have to assume you are a better person than that and you happen to be having a bad day.

A personal attack? You made a few outlandish claims and I called you on them. That's not personal unless you make it such. If you choose to make far fetched comments on a public forum, be prepared to get a response and don't be thin skinned when that happens.

Try to get parts for a 273 New Holland. NH no longer supports that model AT ALL, not just a few parts unavailable. The entire baler is now obsolete as far as they're concerned. It's not at all unreasonable to expect a baler that was made 50 years ago would be hard to find some parts for. The 273 was built several years later than the 14T and parts for it have been totally discontinued. Why is it a condemnation of Deere that a few parts are unavailable yet it's equal from New Holland has ZERO parts support and somehow that's OK.

Plain and simple, if you're comparing simular models of NH and Deere, there won't be any significant difference in capacity OR speed unless you had mis-adjusted the Deere baler and the NH was in perfect tune. If that's the case, it WASN'T an issue of differences in the baler but a problem with poor operation and maintenance. It appears as if you may be comparing a 50 year old Deere model to a much newer New Holland model. If that's the case, why would you expect any different results. As of yet, you've never mentioned what model of NH baler you're speaking of. Lets compare a 40 year old New Holland to a 20 year old Deere and see how they stack up. Or if you're comparing a smaller model Deere baler to a high capacity NH model, that isn't a comparison. We can stack the deck AGAINST New Holland in the same manner. Would that tell us anything? There may be subtle differences, but a claim of 50% more efficiency in equal sized balers both in proper tune is preposterous.

My point is, Deere plays second fiddle to no one with their balers. Compare same generation models and you find them very equal in capacity, speed, and reliability. You'll find no one that supports parts and service to the degree that Deere does.