JD 2030 hyd problems

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jddummy

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So my 3 point quit raising. I looked inside filler hole and seen fluid leaking from lift cyl. I pulled rock shaft housing and put new seal in cyl and put back together. Started tractor an 3 point not doing nothing.
I put a gauge on pump. Started tractor an only reading 1400# in idle. Ran rpm up to 2000 and the gauge dropped to 900#.
Any suggestions on what direction I need to go next?
I have a tech manual and it says to adjust stroke control valve. Not making adjustments until you pros on here tell me too.
 
   / JD 2030 hyd problems #2  
Did you replace seals(items 5,6 & 7) on rockshaft control valves? If not you more than likely need to do that. Also I suggest to disconnect & cap power steering hyd supply then test operation of hyd's. Does this tractor have a frt end loader? Seal kit is part # AR92385


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I did replace the seals with new retainers. I also replaced the thermal valve, stupid thing was $127 it looks like a bolt with a hole in it. I broke it trying to unscrew it.
I do not have a loader on it. I do have power steering. It's working.
 
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By the way,I do have a tech manual for this tractor.
 
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SNIP
I have a tech manual and it says to adjust stroke control valve. Not making adjustments until you pros on here tell me too.
The trouble is that the hydraulic pros on TBN are more knowledgeable about open center systems like most compact and utility tractors use. The closed center system that JD uses for their Ag tractors is different, unique, expensive, and far less common. JD's closed center system has advantages, but I don't know of another tractor brand that uses a similar system.

For example, take that power steering. In an open center system like most tractors use, the flow from the main hydraulic pump goes first to a device where the entire output is split (diverted) so that a certain amount of flow and pressure is always available for power steering. No matter what happens to the loader and 3pt, the power steering will work.

JD's system probably has some feature that does the same thing, but I have no idea what it is or how it works. Good thing you have the tech manual; now just study up on that type of system. Or post some sections here and someone maybe can help. Otherwise it is the dealer.

BTW, don't let this sour you on that 2030 - they are darn good "100 year tractors" and IMHO worth keeping up with the maintenance for a lifetime.

rScotty
 
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It is a good tractor and I use it for raking hay mainly because it don't hardly use any fuel.
The manual is a little hard to understand but it does come in handy.
I'm glad I have some reference on this an you guys helping.
 
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JD closed-center hyd systems have a pressure control valve that ensures power steering has priority pressure/flow over other hyd functions. On 2030 this pressure control valve is bolted to right side of trans case just to the rear of hyd filter. I suggest to check stand-by pressure in front of pressure control valve to determine if PVC is blocking flow. I also suggest to disconnect power steering supply line & cap pressure port. Then operate engine to see how hyd's act with PS bypassed.
 
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Here is some more on hydraulics in tractors for anyone following along.

The way an open center hydraulic system works is simplicity - a fixed unvarying hydraulic pump just circulates fluid through the system continually. The flow goes around in an endless loop. But there is no pressure anywhare in that fluid loop until a control valve is moved to block some part of that flow. Then pressure is built up there, trapped, and some work gets done. Extra fluid goes back into the endless loop.
The advantage to an open center hydraulic system is that pressure is only stored in the hydraulic cylinders, and then only when they are working. So components are way simpler, less expensive, and last longer.
The disadvantage is that the tractor engine is always driving the hydraulic pump which is continually circulating fluid. That wears on a system, and also continually costs both efficiency and fuel.

The way some closed center JD ag tractor hydraulic system works - like the 2030 - is that the hydraulic pump can vary the flow it puts out from zero to full flow. The first time the tractor is started, the pump goes into full flow mode and fills up a pressure reservoir with high pressure fluid. Control valves and cylinders can then call on that reservoir for high pressure fluid as needed. After filling the high pressure reservoir, the pump goes into "no flow" mode, and only pumps when it needs refilling.
The advantage to a closed center (JD) hydraulic systems is that full pressure is instantly available, and the tractor engine isn't constantly spending hp and fuel circulating fluid in a loop that isn't doing anything. That advantage is part of why the JD ag tractors are economical on fuel.
The disadvantage is that storing pressure also wears on a system. Plus there is the argument that a closed center having to constantly store pressure requires more complicated & expensive parts compared to the open center type of system.
Hope this helps,
rScotty
 
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Thanks for info rscotty
Tx Jim I will do what you suggest and I will let you know what happens
 
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Thanks for info rscotty
Tx Jim I will do what you suggest and I will let you know what happens
You're welcome. Sometimes a simple overview helps me & maybe others. BTW, I forgot to mention that the vintage 2-cylinder JD ag tractors were also the simple open center type.

For any JD, Tx Jim and a couple of others have a ton of model specific knowledge.
I suspect that your ability to check pressures at the test ports is going to be what eventually leads them to a fix.
 
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This is before the pcv with the steering line plugged
 
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I recommend unlocking nut & turning(CW) stroke control valve adjusting screw into hyd pump while monitoring hyd gauge. Stand-by pressure should be 2250-2350 psi.
 
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Ok. I'll try that and see if it will increase. Thanks
 
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Ok. I'll try that and see if it will increase. Thanks
Do you think that the lower pressure is the reason why the 3pt quit working? Or are they different problems?
Just to keep things simple, my thought is that 1000 psi is still plenty to make the 3pt work. I'd not mess with compensating for pump wear until figuring out the 3pt problem. It sounds to me like you still have an internal leak back there.
rScotty
 
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Do you think that the lower pressure is the reason why the 3pt quit working? Or are they different problems?
Just to keep things simple, my thought is that 1000 psi is still plenty to make the 3pt work. I'd not mess with compensating for pump wear until figuring out the 3pt problem. It sounds to me like you still have an internal leak back there.
rScotty
If pressure control valve is functioning as designed rockshaft & scv's should stop functioning when stand-by pressure dropped below 1700 psi.
 
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If pressure control valve is functioning as designed rockshaft & scv's should stop functioning when stand-by pressure dropped below 1700 psi.
Really? Well, that just proves what I said earlier in the thread .... that a person like myself can understand open center hydraulic systems well, and still not know the first thing about Closed Center systems like many John Deere ag tractors use.

For comparison, in an open center system, there is no pressure control valve and no lower limit at which a system just stops functioning. As pumpn pressure drops in an open center system, the cylinders simply lose force at a the same rate until finally there isn't enough force to overcome gravity.
I haven't measured it, but that's probably somewhere around 100 psi for 3pt arms.
I did measure one open center FEL, and that one took about 600 psi just to lift an empty loader bucket.

rScotty
 
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Well I adjusted the stroke valve an maxed it out and it still stayed at1400#
 
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I did pull the spring assembly out an measured it a per manual. It still at full measurement. The valve still looked good also.
 

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