JD 2210 Won't Start

[DIY Dude]

My 2003 JD 2210 with 151 hours was running fine and just stopped, then it would start but shut off within seconds. Now it turns over but does not start. I have done the following:

- Blew out of the fuel lines
- Fuel shutoff solenoid is working properly
- Fuel is flowing to the intake side of the fuel pump
- All fuses test good
- By passed the seat switch
- Fuel valve is open
- Installed new fuel filter
- Removed the fuel pump, arm has normal wear

I no longer hear the click when turning the ignition switch. What does that click represent? Also, I do not have fuel flowing from the fuel pump when in turning the engine over. Any suggestions are appreciated.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Fuel shut off solenoid is working properly.

What does that mean? You have removed it entirely, plugged the wires on, and tested it with the key switch in various positions and see the plunger rod move back and forth? Have you tried cranking with the solenoid removed?

With solenoid removed have you reached in with your finger and lightly push against whatever the rod contacts to see if that moves back and forth with slight spring pressure?

 

[ovrszd]

Sure sounds like fuel shutoff.

Try Harry's suggestions. We need to eliminate the fuel shutoff before moving to the next possibility.

 

[Egon]

If there is no clack check the injection pump solenoid thermistor. It should be behind the fuse box.
The solenoid activates the injection pump. It does not shut off the fuel.

 

[Jerry/MT]

My 2003 JD 2210 with 151 hours was running fine and just stopped, then it would start but shut off within seconds. Now it turns over but does not start. I have done the following:

- Blew out of the fuel lines
- Fuel shutoff solenoid is working properly
- Fuel is flowing to the intake side of the fuel pump
- All fuses test good
- By passed the seat switch
- Fuel valve is open
- Installed new fuel filter
- Removed the fuel pump, arm has normal wear

I no longer hear the click when turning the ignition switch. What does that click represent? Also, I do not have fuel flowing from the fuel pump when in turning the engine over. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Have you bled the system after doing all this work on the fuel delivery system?

 

[DIY Dude]

I did all of the above regarding the fuel shutoff solenoid plus installed a new one.

 

[DIY Dude]

Have you bled the system after doing all this work on the fuel delivery system?

What are the proper steps for bleeding the system on the 2210? I read it was a "autobleed" system. I have strong fuel to the pump. I had resistance when reinstalling the pump. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[ovrszd]

Dang it. Was hoping for an easy solution. I don't know how to bleed the system. Maybe Google search it? Pretty sure it's a fuel delivery problem. Good flow to the pump is a plus. The engine uses mechanical injectors that trip at a preset pressure. So if the injector pump isn't building that pressure they won't spray. Air in the system would cause that for sure.

Try loosening the feed line at one injector at a time and turn it over. Should push air out. By the time you've bled two it should try to start but miss when running.

Got my fingers crossed for you.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Revisit the fuel shut off solenoid. If you don't hear or feel it click on and off with the key on and off, then find out why. If that's not working (for whatever reason) or the part in the pump component it pushes against isn't moving, you can bleed forever and the pump will not deliver any fuel.

 

[ovrszd]

Revisit the fuel shut off solenoid. If you don't hear or feel it click on and off with the key on and off, then find out why. If that's not working (for whatever reason) or the part in the pump component it pushes against isn't moving, you can bleed forever and the pump will not deliver any fuel.

I agree. Key on should have good fuel flow to the Injector Pump.

If you do have, which I thought you said you did, then the Injector pump should build fuel pressure to the Injectors. Crack the line at the Injector while turning over the engine. Should squirt out fuel and release whatever air is trapped. Messy. Very messy.

 

[Harry in Ky]

Key on or off makes no difference in flow TO the injection pump. The action of the shut off solenoid and the related internal parts it contacts is what affects the delivery from the pump units sending fuel to the injectors. THAT seems to me to where the problem is.

 

[ovrszd]

Key on or off makes no difference in flow TO the injection pump. The action of the shut off solenoid and the related internal parts it contacts is what affects the delivery from the pump units sending fuel to the injectors. THAT seems to me to where the problem is.

I agree. Cracking an injector line and turning it over would verify whether the inj pump is getting fuel?

 

[Harry in Ky]

I think he's confirmed it's GETTING fuel, just not sure why it's not delivering.

 

[ovrszd]

I suppose it's possible the pump has failed. But unlikely. Hoping for a simple fix such as bleeding the air out of the system.

I've never had any sort of interruption such as running out of fuel so I've never had to bleed mine.

 

[Egon]

As stated: the solenoid only activates the pump so if there is no clack the engine turns over but the injection pump is not pumping Any fuel.
The failure of the thermistor involved has been a common occurrence.

Do a search on TBN!

 

[Jimbo16720]

Fuel and compression for a diesel to run, the starter is just to get the motor turned over to pump the fuel. Like they said loosen lines going to injectors and turn it over to see if fuel or air or both come out. If you get fuel it's not the fuel shut-off. Also look for a bad line going to injectors and tank to pump letting air in.

 

[Jerry/MT]

Have you bled the system after doing all this work on the fuel delivery system?

Bleeding a Diesel Fuel System​

Start at the fuel outlet of the tank (inlet to the filter). Shut the tank valve, remove the line at the filter inlet and holding a suitable container to catch the diesel fuel, open the valve. You should have a CONTINUOUS rush/flow of fuel out of the line. If it dribbles or is intermittent, check the fuel cap for a blockage of the fuel vent or the strainer upstream of the valve for clogging. The strainer/screen is attached to the shut-off valve, and is positioned up inside the tank. You will have to drain the tank and pull the valve to clean the screen.

If you have good fuel flow at that point, reconnect the line and open the bleeder screw at the top of the filter. Turn on the tank valve and wait till you have a steady flow of fuel with no bubbles at the top of the filter, then close the bleeder screw.

Your pump may have a bleeder screw. If so, open that until fuel streams out with no bubbles, then close it. If you cannot identify the bleeder screw, loosen the inlet connection at the pump and purge air at that point.

Go back and make sure ALL the fittings in the fuel delivery system are tight so they cannot suck air.

Make sure the battery is fully charged. Loosen the fuel fittings at the injectors, either one at a time or all at once. Crank the engine till you see all fuel at the injector fittings and then tighten the fittings. If you do indvidual fittings, the engine will usually start before you get to the last fitting.

Alternatively, you can "tow-start" it to save wear and tear on your starter. Leave the injector lines cracked open at the injectors at first to purge the lines. Then tighten them up and she should start.

Your injection pump puts out a very small amount of fuel (high pressure/low volume). BE PATIENT. If the lines are totally empty, it takes a lot of cranking to fill them up.

sixbales & Jerry/MT