JD 4110 or Kubota B7510?

ducati996 · Nov 28, 2004

( Rustydog,

The 4110 with a MMM has very little ground clearance. Travelling over rough terrain with it is a royal pain.

The MMM of the 4110 is full floating, that is its gauge wheels do not contact the ground in level cutting. The 7510's deck wheel support the weight of the deck and are always on the ground when cutting.

If you are planning on a FEL check out what it takes to install and remove the loader on each tractor.

The 4110 has a clunky way of holding up the MMM when using the 3pt hitch. Compare it to the 7510.
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I'm under the impression the MMM on the 4110 is ground following and also full floater. With the deck suspension kit, you can operate the 3pt independently as well as decent ground clearance....I noticed on Kubota's web site they list competition comparison. In reality the hydrolics is stronger on the 4110-4115 and the JD uses the same loader(410 loader) with the same hydrolic spec's but Kubota has them listed with different capacities ( the 4115 being higher than the 4110) and the ground clearance (without deck of course) is over 12" on both the 4110 & 4115...so much for being accurate /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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JClark · Nov 28, 2004

Any comments I make on the 4110 are based on owning one for year. Comments on the Kubota are less well founded.

Ground clearance of the MMM fully raised on a 4110 is just plain inadequate. Figure on removing the MMM whenever you need to do any FEL or blade work.

maxtractor · Nov 28, 2004

I wanted to look at the 4110. But, my local dealer didn't have any in stock and they didn't seemed to interested in getting one for me. The odd thing was the dealer had stopped carrying large farm equipment in favor of selling CUTs and lawn mowers. I did get them to give me a price on one if they got one in. It was significantly more than the Kubota B7610 I bought a half mile down the road. They had several in stock and delivered it in time for me to use it the next weekend. I had a Kubota before and used it for 20 years so I knew about Kubota quality. Great quality, lower price and a better dealer made my choice easy. By the way I just saw in the local newspaper that the JD dealer is going out of business December 3rd. The bottom line is both are good tractors, I wouldn't personally pay extra to get a JD, but I also wouldn't buy from a dealer I didn't like either. So I guess I might pay extra to buy either from a dealer I could count on.

ducati996 · Nov 28, 2004

( Any comments I make on the 4110 are based on owning one for year. Comments on the Kubota are less well founded.

Ground clearance of the MMM fully raised on a 4110 is just plain inadequate. Figure on removing the MMM whenever you need to do any FEL or blade work. )

What size deck was it 54" or 60"?
For loader work as well as blade work isnt it normal for the deck to be removed before hand? I would think it impedes the ability to dig, or traverse through rough terrain.
I dont see where the Kubota would have any advantage here clearance is less on that machine or about the same.
While I do not have a MMM on my 4100, I have used and seen enough of them. And now its time for me to second guess myself and ask these questions /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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keeney · Nov 29, 2004

[ Not sure exactly how the 4110 compares to my older 4100, but understanidng is that the 4110 is basically the same as the older 4100 with updates and improvements]

I find that for certain kinds of loader work and quick chores, the MMM can stay on, and for other, more prolonged, rough terrain work, the MMM comes off.

Fully raised, the deck is maybe 6" off the ground, max.

Generally, if I am using the bucket, its in rougher terrain, and the MMM needs to come off. Total conversion time from mowing to loading involves mounting the loader, mounting the ballast block, and removing the MMM - about 10 minutes with practice if everything is on a level surface and nothing else is in the way. (something is always in the way, though, in my crowded garage).

Other times, I am just moving some stuff around using forks on the FEL, the MMM stays on. If its light enough, I skip the ballast block, and the MMM is heavy enough to make the tractor fairly stable.

Another note, when removing/replacing the MMM, there is a shortcut that is a tradeoff. Its quicker to just leave the MMM suspension arms on, but they hang kind of low. Especially with the ballast on the 3-point, and I like to keep the ballast lower vs fully-raised. The arms can get dragged through the dirt at times. This wasn't a problem until I lost a pin and bent up one of the arms.

I know nothing about the Kubota.

- Rick

JClark · Nov 29, 2004

Ducati,

The deck on my 4110 is 60"

I bought the tractor without ever seeing it setup with a MMM and foolishly assumed there would be a good 6" of ground clearance with the deck fully raised. Certainly for heavy FEL and blade work I expected to remove the deck but I also expected to be able to drive down the lane and grab a bucket full of mulch or topsoil without having to.

As it turned out the deck banged on the ground whenever I ran over anything larger than a pine needle and it did indeed impede the ability to traverse through rough terrain, or any terrain not dead flat. My GT275 has more clearance and I ended up using that to cut the ditches and shoulders.

I liked the tractor well enough to resort to a radical solution - I put bigger tires on it. That worked pretty well but it came back to bite me in the butt when I later had steering problems just after the 50 hour service. JD insisted it was caused by the larger rear tires and would not remedy the fault. Long story short: hydraulic pressure below spec and relief valve needed adjusting. The solution was found right here on this forum of course.

Perhaps it is normal to have to remove the deck when using the tractor for anything other than mowing. It still sucks. I don't know the clearance on the Kubotas but if it is as little as the 4110 it is inadequate.

ducati996 · Nov 29, 2004

( [ Not sure exactly how the 4110 compares to my older 4100, but understanidng is that the 4110 is basically the same as the older 4100 with updates and improvements]
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They have indentical specifications /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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keeney · Nov 29, 2004

Further clarificaiton on my comment that "Fully raised, the deck is maybe 6" off the ground, max."

That 6" clearance would be to the main frame of the deck. The gauge wheels hang lower than that.

Also, it could be less than 6" - I am estimating from memory. Its certainly not any higher than that.

Other than being rough on the deck and its wheels as they get draggged through the dirt, the only time I have actually had it impede traction was in the pure, bare sand down by the lake trying to pull my dock equipment in for the winter. As the wheels dig down into the sand, the deck turns into a mid-mount-blade.

- Rick

ducati996 · Nov 29, 2004

( Ducati,
I liked the tractor well enough to resort to a radical solution - I put bigger tires on it. That worked pretty well but it came back to bite me in the butt when I later had steering problems just after the 50 hour service. JD insisted it was caused by the larger rear tires and would not remedy the fault. )

I think all mfg's of 4wd tractors would have that similar response, if the tires were changed and the ratio between front and back was changed /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I' sorry to hear about your bad experiences with your 4100.
Its sounds like some of the problems were dealer related as well. They can ruin any great product in a heartbeat, or make a bad product better?
Either way thanks for your input....

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MikeFromVA · Nov 30, 2004

I own a 4110 and I never have the FEL and the MMM on at the same time. The MMM is easier to install and remove while the FEL is off and I feel a whole lot more comfortable mowing on the hills and tight areas without the FEL. It takes me about 5 minutes to remove the FEL and mount the mower or vice-versa. I think that JD made this so easy so that you can remove the MMM quickly when clearance becomes a problem.