JD 4210 Questions

[TMR]

Hi...I am going to visit local JD shop next week to look at a 2004? 4210 with 275 hours/4WD/430 loader...just coming in on trade...originally sold by same dealer. Says stored inside and very clean.

Price is $13K

First...this seems like it might be a good "first" tractor...even if I believe I may want something a bit larger once I see what I actually use a tractor for? My potential uses are endless...but I have no real idea how much I will actually use it and may have a hard time spending to buy a 40+ HP machine w/all the attachments I may want.

If I buy for $13K with loader and add a box blade and a rotary cutter and then see what I do with it next summer...I could probably move up with the same dealer w/o losing much?

BTW...I have 120 acres of woods/3 acres of field/1 mile+ of trails that are to be my retirement project over the next few years...whether I actually find I enjoy all that I do not know

Back to the 4210...

1) What good an bad should I know about the 4210?

2) What current JD is it most similar to?

3) What add-ons should I be looking for that I will need to buy if they are not already there?

4) Your thoughts on price if it is as nice and clean as described?

5) What would I grow to regret (or find wanting) if I buy a 4210?

Thanks...may be the "entry point" I need? Tom R

 

[TMR]

Also...does the 4210 share the same frame with the 4310...4410?

Thanks...Tom R

 

[TMR]

Looks like I am posting to myself

I see a 2002 4310 1018 hours w/430 loader...owned by father of salesman at nearby dealer. Bucket shows small bends in top edge from using to lift with hooks welded on top of bucket...probably not a gig deal? Originally sold by dealer and traded for newer/larger. Can get all history.

Price a bit higher...$14.9K vs $13K for the similar 4210 with 275 hours.

It appears the 4310 has a bit larger frame...WB 69" on 4310 vs 65" on 4210...and I think I saw where the 4310 was a bit larger frame in general??

What are your thoughts on the 4210 w/ much lower hours and a lower price vs the 4310 w/still reasonable hours a larger frame?...and a higher price.

The 4210 is at the dealer I would get service from where the 4310 is about 200 miles away.

Thanks...Tom R

P.S. LIve out in the country and going to a neighborhood wedding today in a "potato field"...only issue is we had a couple of inches of rain last two days and the temps will be in the mid 50s...also, the field does not appear to be a "good drainer"...not dressing up much Not sure good planning a wedding in a field in late Sept in N Minnesota...oh well...they will end up married in any case!

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

You might find this to be a helpful site to get some basic comparative data regarding various models / brands.

TractorData.com - information on all makes and models of tractors

I have no direct knowledge of prior models and can only say I'm very happy with the 3320 - for my needs. In another thread you were asking questions regarding tread width and have , no doubt, seen comments regarding how the 3x20 series "seems tippy" don't let that turn you off the series. I joined here 3 or 4 years ago and despite numerous comments to that effect - actually don't recall where anyone has actually tipped one over. Could be wrong - maybe others will add their thoughts on that.

 

[TMR]

You might find this to be a helpful site to get some basic comparative data regarding various models / brands.

TractorData.com - information on all makes and models of tractors

I have no direct knowledge of prior models and can only say I'm very happy with the 3320 - for my needs. In another thread you were asking questions regarding tread width and have , no doubt, seen comments regarding how the 3x20 series "seems tippy" don't let that turn you off the series. I joined here 3 or 4 years ago and despite numerous comments to that effect - actually don't recall where anyone has actually tipped one over. Could be wrong - maybe others will add their thoughts on that.

Thanks for the comment. Actually, I added the 4x10 series to my "study" list primarily because of the lower entry price. As I look new(er) I would want to target either upper 3x20 models or 4x20 models and probably want a loader and a backhoe...price adds up real fast

Also, as you can probably sense, I am inexperienced and not sure how much I will use a tractor. Thus, if I found a nice 4x10 series tractor w/loader...for closer to $10K than $20K I could perhaps use as an "entry" tractor and use for a year or two as I learn more about tractors AND find out how ambitious I am on my 120 acres. If I buy carefully shouldn't lose too much if I trade for a newer maybe larger unit in a couple of years?

I could do the same with a 3x20 series but entry price is higher and I would have a tendency to reach higher in the specs with the thought of buying only once...

Thanks...Tom R

 

[beenthere]

Also...does the 4210 share the same frame with the 4310...4410?

Thanks...Tom R

Same frame on all three. Larger frame is the 4510 - 4710

Equivalent to the 3x20 series in frame size.

I think the 4210 is priced a bit on the high side, but think you will not have to worry about recovering your investment. Good that it has the 430 FEL, and not the lighter 420.

 

[Brimstone10x]

The 4210 is the same as 4310 4410 . just has less hp . noticeably less. hold out for a 4310 or 4410.

 

[doall]

Man you have over a 100 acres and are not sure if you need a tractor. You do and you will love tinkering with it. The tinkering will turn into more and more serious projects and you will love that too. I would hold out for a bit larger for that much land. have fun.

 

[arrabil]

While the 4210 is considered the same frame size as the 4310 and 4410, I'm pretty sure its a tad shorter than both its older brothers. A couple inches at most. Not that it should discourage you. And unless your ground is REALLY hilly, the 4210 will not be as underpowered as many suggest. It should also come with a 420 loader, btw. The 430 wasn't offered with a 4210.

 

[TMR]

While the 4210 is considered the same frame size as the 4310 and 4410, I'm pretty sure its a tad shorter than both its older brothers. A couple inches at most. Not that it should discourage you. And unless your ground is REALLY hilly, the 4210 will not be as underpowered as many suggest. It should also come with a 420 loader, btw. The 430 wasn't offered with a 4210.

Thanks...I noted the 4" difference in length from tractordata and often that indicates a different frame series...but all the other stats are the same so it does appear to just be a bit shorter with the same frame strength.

The dealer said 430...but it was not on his lot yet and he probably is incorrect. I looked at others for sale on Machinefinder and tractorhouse and they are all 420s except for one 300x.

BTW...is your engine shot on you 4200?

Thanks...Tom R









I will confirm next week...lifting differnce between the 420 and the 430?...or why is the 430 "better"? Thanks...Tom R

 

[beenthere]

I think you will find that the 4210 is the same "frame" size (as the 4310 and 4410) but the different size tires makes it measure a little shorter in length and height.

The 4210 has smaller pump hyd. pressure, and the 420 FEL has smaller cyl. too. If it has the 430 FEL, may just be slower and lift less.

 

[arrabil]

The 430 is stronger and I believe it operates at a higher psi as the 43/44x0 have higher psi implement pumps. I've not run into anything my 420 can't handle on my property though.

No, my engine is just fine. At some point I'd like to tackle an engine rebuild project. Might as well rebuild an engine with more HP. And I like the smaller size of the 4200 so I don't really want to upgrade the rest of it.

 

[JD755]

I think you will find that the 4210 is the same "frame" size (as the 4310 and 4410) but the different size tires makes it measure a little shorter in length and height.

The 4210 has smaller pump hyd. pressure, and the 420 FEL has smaller cyl. too. If it has the 430 FEL, may just be slower and lift less.

While the 4210, 4310, and 4410 are all considered mid-size frames, the 4210 wheelbase is three inches shorter. It also weighs 225 pounds less than the others, along with the previously mentioned smaller hydraulic capacity. Other details are attached, although there are errors on this chart I believe the wheelbase and weight to be correct.

I added a data sheet for the 4200 to help sort through the errors. JD has always been terrible about no proofreading on their information.

 

[beenthere]

Thanks JD755
I see I was looking at the 117" length, and not the wheelbase. So you are right that the 4210 is shorter wheelbase. And jdparts has a different frame number for the 4210 than the 4310 and 4410. So there is a difference.

I've also found some gross errors in my 4300 manual. I've found the CD tech manual to be pretty good. So far.

 

[jcmseven]

The 4210 is a solid machine. It does not have much engine power relative to it frame size but can still power most larger implements well. Where I live, it is quite hilly and I had a 4310 and found it underpowered for what I do. I suspect almost any potential buyer would be disappointed in the 4210 unless he lived where it was quite flat, did not power high requirement PTO implements, or was not in a hurry (or all three). While I cannot speak to this in certainty, I think dealers had a hard time selling the 4210 when it was new, so I suspect it would not move well when used if one bought then wanted to sell. There is nothing wrong with the tractor, simply that for a little additional money one can get into the 4310 used with quite a bit more power, better hydraulics and a bit more frame weight also.

John M

 

[RoyJackson]

There is nothing wrong with the tractor, simply that for a little additional money one can get into the 4310 used with quite a bit more power, better hydraulics and a bit more frame weight also.

John M

The 790, with 27 or 30 engine HP (depending on the year of the tractor) and 24-25 PTO HP, was pretty competitive to the 4200/4210 (which has 22-23 PTO HP) and pulled a lot of sales.
I remember a lot of complaints of low power with these machines.
However, the 4200/4210 will power a 5' RFM, a 5' cutter and a wood chipper (with a 4.5"-5" capacity) with no problem. You might have to run in a lower range if your ground is sloped though.

 

[david76]

I have had both the 4210 with a 420 and a 4310 with a 300x. Both had R4 tires but the tires were smaller on the 4210 which possibly generates a shorter overall length. Big difference in the two and I would highly recommend a 4310 over a 4210.

David