JD 430 not starting

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SteveD425

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JD 425 AWS, JD 430, AC 5020
Inherited this mower about 6 years ago. Generally runs well with little trouble. As of late it has started not starting. About 3 weeks ago, it started then stalled immediately twice, then completely dead- no lights, no sounds, nothing. Battery tester said my battery was shot. Towed it into the garage where it would be easier to work on. Put in a new battery and a similar thing happened, except this time no start. Turned key to run, relay clicked, dash lights lit up, and when I turned the key to start, it went dead. Lights went out and nothing (starter did not spin). Tried again and same thing. Third time, no signs of life- again no lights or clicks. Nothing. Started walking through the troubleshooting guide, checking voltages in different locations, etc. Eventually I noticed that the voltage across the battery terminals was dropping to about 5.5 volts when I turned the key to run, so I abandoned the troubleshooting guide and just started disconnecting things to see if I could isolate what was putting enough load on the battery to make the voltage drop so low.

After removing the neutral start relay and the time delay control module and visually inspecting them, I noticed two of the contacts on the neutral start relay were discolored. Cleaned up the contacts and put things back together and then everything worked. Put it all back together. Ordered a replacement neutral start relay to have on hand. Mowed about 6 acres over the course of a couple days. Figured problem was solved. Started right up this morning and pulled it into the garage so I could put new blades on. After putting the new blades on, I'm back to not starting again - lights on and relay clicks (run) then dead (start). Happened twice, and then completely dead. Took things apart again enough to replace the neutral start relay. After replacing the relay it was the same thing with the lights and relay click when turning the key to run and then dead when turning key to start. Happened twice then nothing.

Seems to always go through the cycle twice. Looking for any insights or advice. Is it possible to bypass the time delay control module to isolate that as the problem? Hoping to not need to replace the module if at all possible.
 
   / JD 430 not starting #2  
Do you know if it was charging the battery when the engine ran?
 
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#3  
The old battery was of an age where it legitimately could have been done so I opted to not mess around with it. I assume it is charging but now that you mention it, I guess I don’t know for sure. I will have to explore that possibility as well.
 
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Do you have a wiring diagram?
If not, here it is.
430 JD LGT Wiring Diagram.jpg
 
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#5  
So I tested the battery last night. Fully charged. Didn’t even flinch when I load tested it.

I do have a service manual with wiring diagrams although the one BravoXray shared seems to be different.
 
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So I tested the battery last night. Fully charged. Didn’t even flinch when I load tested it.

I do have a service manual with wiring diagrams although the one BravoXray shared seems to be different.

There are two wiring diagrams in TM1591 (15JUL95) depending on serial number.


Wiring Diagram_Up to Ser. 420468.jpg Wiring Diagram_1987_Ser. 420469 on.jpg
 
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Think I figured it out. I was getting ready to pull the fender pan off so I could dig into the pedestal and get at all of the wiring within. Decided to connect the battery one last time first, and realized that depending on how the positive battery terminal was positioned on the post, I could get the dash lights to light and the fuel solenoid to pull in. Further inspection after seeing some arcing showed the inside of the terminal was in bad shape - even after cleaning it. Picked up a new positive battery cable and everything seems to be working properly now. Hopefully I'm not proven wrong again after some use. A reminder to not get ahead of myself and start with the basics
 
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🙄
 
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Good to hear you got it running!
 

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