JD 950 Starter Problems

   / JD 950 Starter Problems #11  
In the Yanmar forum an owner had the identical problem and determined it was caused by a bad ignition switch. See the 'YM1700 Smoking solenoid' thread over there.
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #12  
<font color="blue"> Yes, the solenoid clicks, That's when I know to keep trying.

I've been mulling over replacing it since a new one wasn't that high when I last checked </font>

ScottAR,

Have you tried bypassing the solonoid when it is acting up?
Typically there is a small wire that connects to the solonoid from the ignition switch and a large cable from the battery. There will be another connection that goes from the solonoid into the starter, usually it is just a copper strap that comes out of the starter housing.

You can try shorting across the small terminal on the solonoid to the battery cable terminal. A screw driver works pretty good for this. If the solonoid engages and the starter turns over the engine then you may have problems with the circuit feeding the solonoid. If the starter does run, try shorting from the battery cable terminal on the solonoid directly to the terminal that comes from the starter housing (bypassing the solonoid). If the starter turns (drive will not engage engine), then you may have a bad solonoid.

The solonoid has a metal disk inside that, when the magnet in the solonoid is energized, is pull into contact between the battery cable connection and the connection going inside the starter. This disk can get pitted from arcing when the connection is made or broken. The disk tends to rotate a little through the starting sequence and other vibrations. If the disk becomes stuck you can get one spot in the disk that is pitted so bad that will not conduct enough current for the starter. Multiple clicks on the solonoid may result in the starter turning over if the disk rotates a little to a cleaner spot. Of course the problem just gets worse and worse as the poor connection causes more arcing which cause more pitting which causes more arcing.....

If the solonoid elecro-magnet is weak it may be pulling the contact to slowing. This will also cause arcing and pitting.

Make sure you have the tractor in neutral and the brake set before performing the actions above.

Jeff
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #13  
If I remember the solenoid is built into the starter housing, so replacing it may require a whole new shebang. When I get the machine home again, I'll look into this further as it's due for some more maintence anyway.
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #14  
For the 2 years that I owned my 950, it did the very same thing, I just chalked it up to a sign of age and starter wear.
Other then making sure all possible connections were clean, I never did solve it or really even try to.
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #15  
Scott - I looked at my manual over the weekend. I had forgotten that the solenoid not only engages the gear, it is also a relay. It closes a set of high current contacts to supply power to the starter motor. If those contacts are bad, that would also prevent the starter motor from turning. I sent you a PM. If you will send me your e-mail address, I will sent you 4 pages from the manual showing the starter circuit plus some diagnostic information including "If your starter clicks but the motor does not turn". /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Yooper Dave I also sent those to you over the weekend.
 
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#16  
Hi Scott,

Thank you very much for the information.

My sick Aunt died this past weekend, so I was not able to get a good look at the information yet.

I will take a look sometime soon though.

Thanks again

Dave
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #17  
My JD 1050 does the same thing. could this be a common JD problem?
 
   / JD 950 Starter Problems #18  
This is a fairly common problem on 50 series deeres. It is caused by low voltage to the starter solenoid. As these tractors get older, the wiring gets a little corrosion here and there at connections on the key switch, safety switches and other connections. The starter on these seem to be more sensitive to this voltage drop than some others. It is easily fixed by installing a relay in the circuit to energize the solenoid. I have used john deere part # RE44536 to do this repair. It is intended for older deere farm tractors, but it is easily adaptable to 650, 750, 850, 950, and 1050 tractors. The wiring needs a little modification to fit and the instructions for mounting the relay will no apply to compact tractor. I usually mount it on the valve cover. You can also pick up a starter relay at any automotive supply store and fabricate your own wiring.
 

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