JD or Kubota?

[Dutch445]

WOW,
interesting arguments.
When I sold import cars (toyota), I had a lot of flack from certain family members that were apalled that I sold Japanese products, after our country had gone to war with Japan years ago. What they didn't understand was the investment Toyota had made in the US market by building factories to build cars and trucks for our market. Yes, all the parts in all of these cars came from all over the world. That is today's reality. Assembly in the US was better for Japanese companies because of high tarriffs paid to import vehicles from Japan. But, it was also better for the US because it created jobs and healthy competition. If it wasn't for competition, we wouldn't have the fine cars/tractors etc that we have today. Competition is what drives manufacturers to increase quality, lower production costs, improve model changeover times etc etc etc. In MHO, it's the quality and service that I recieve for my money that is important, not where it was made. I have never purchased just because it said it was made in USA. I have never not purchased because of that either. We all believe in getting the most for our money, we work hard to earn it, and if we experience problems with something we bought, we may not buy the same product again. But, that is what this country is about, freedom to chose.

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[rockyridgefarm]

This guy has 9 posts, 5 are to bash a brand that he supposedly represents and should have insider info with... All nine gush about Kubota. So while he says a lotta dealers bleed green, he's gushin orange.

But, while it isn't popular with eveyone, Deere is a major advertiser on this site, supporting all our fun by helping pay the bills and keep the lights on. While I don't suggest we stifle real information just to keep a supporter happy; there is no sense in this shameless bashing.

I have a Deere and love to poke fun of my friends with Orasnge Blue or whatever color. Its just fun. If I had an orange one, I'd be poking green guys. But I think it is different when you make some or all of your living representing a company, are given insider information, and then go bashing them.

Assuming he IS in a Deere dealership. Nothing he has stated is anything more than Kubota Dealer would have access to, or for that matter, anyone doing a little digging on the internet.

Whether he is a Deere dealer choosing to bash his own product, or lying about being a Deere dealer, his comments cannot have much merit. If he is in a Deere dealership and has a beef with Deere, he should go to them, or drop them or move from his employer, or shut up if not willing to do any of those. If he isn't really in a Deere dealership, well, he is just lying.

Neither situation makes his comments reliable.

I hope that my comments are even handed, If the same things were happening by a supposed Kubota, or Jinma dealer, or whatever, they would still apply.

And finally, it sure is easy to forget the fantastic help we have received from reputable dealers here. I know, I personally have reveived help from far away dealers who have no hope of getting my business. And I have seen others get the same help. obrith has chosen to do some of that with a few kubota posts. I hope he keeps that up. Cause, this site is all about helping each other and having fun!

 

[ByronBob]

I wonder if we answered Halfmoon2 or is he just amazed at the trouble he started by accident?

 

[rtimgray]

Why would it be necessary for Orbith to have to love John Deere just because he works at a JD dealership? Several folks have suggested that if he doesn't agree with JD policy or dealership management, he should ship out. Why? There are lots of folks, myself included, that are overall satisfied with their jobs but there may be aspects of them that they dislike. Orbith likes Kubota and dislikes JD; simple as that. He has is own reasons. He might need to retain gainful employment to provide for a family and pay his bills, would like to blow off some steam but remain mostly anonymous - no big deal. Cheap therapy, perhaps?

I also understand why Orbith does not want to disclose his dealership name/location etc. It's obvious that it doesn't take long for stuff like this to disintegrate into personal attacks (already has), so why on earth would he want to open himself up for folks to email/call his employer and tell on him. If you don't like or agree with what the fella says, then just agree to disagree. As mentioned earlier, this discussion does seem to surface almost as much as "Does Kubota make Kioti" and "HST is better than gear". It will come up again, I'm sure.

 

[AndyClyde]

No problem with a guy having an opinion,but some of the stuff he was saying is totally untrue.

The guy is windy enough he could blow up an onion sack.

 

[Dargo]

I like them both and have stated so. Sometimes it seems like the arguement between a guy saying that he wouldn't own a Chevy but drives a GMC. I know they are not quite that similar, but I really think their quality is a toss up. As I've experienced with both, neither is immune to having problems though. I still feel that a JD or Kubota is less likely to have major problems over several other brands during ownership. Either way, both JD and Kubota have a great network of support available and it appears that once pressed, both manufacturers seem to want to help the customer and make things right.

 

[obrith]

Rocky - As I said, it doesn't matter whom I work for. I've represented both brands for over 8 years myself. I don't really feel the need to 'prove' that too you. And as I also said, I really wasn't looking for a flame war. I was simply giving my opinions. As for letting JD know about my issues... trust me I do. Every time I go to a dealer meeting of any sort I never let up. Usually I get lots of "oh yea's", "Thats a good points", and lots of face time with engineers and product support people. However, there is the occasional dealer or middle management who gives me dirty looks, ignores me, or tries to flame me. Usually I don't get far at all. I can only hope that the young engineers and product support people from back east whom chat with me for most of the show listen enough to get something productive done... For some reason when I talk to my local representatives within the company nothing <bad> reaches the ears of those who have any real bearing on what happens. The only person who seems to care that actually represents me within the company is my local salesman who usually comes up and congratulates me after the meetings, even after I get in a huge argument with his boss. And as for your other suggestions, I do usually like my job, and if JD keeps up the pressure, they will go.

My biggest problem with JD is not their product. Its that their poo doesn't stink.

rtimgrey - Thank you, that is more or less exactly how I feel. There is no need for me to disclose my dealership, and I made every effort to keep my posts from changing from personal opinion/experience to flame as I could.

And for the record, I have no issues with non-US made products (to some degree anyhow); I drive a Toyota truck.

Anyhow, back to work...

 

[cowboydoc]

I agree with Andy. It's one thing to have an opinion but when the members here know more about Deere than he does I smell a rat. He didn't even know that the transmissions that were recalled were NOT because they failed at all. It was because the mfwd was made like every other big mfwd to have the wheels locked. This caused scuffing and people mowing their lawn didn't like that. Understandable. Deere put out parts to change that. It was not a failure or safety issue of any kind. My tractor still has the original transmission and it's one of the reasons I still have it. 4 wheels spinning is much better than 2 or 3.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">As for letting JD know about my issues... trust me I do. Every time I go to a dealer meeting of any sort I never let up. Usually I get lots of "oh yea's", "Thats a good points", and lots of face time with engineers and product support people. </font>

You now it's really funny obrith. I've brought a number of issues with Deere and they've all been handled and changed. Four improvements on the 6415 were made last year that were a direct result of testing and working with me on my 6415 alone. Deere has sent engineers to my place, my neighbors place, and other people I know. If there's a problem they look to fix it. Really funny they pay attention and fix all these problems when a consumer talks about it but they don't listen at all when you say something. Really funny my salesman at the dealer comments about how great deere is to work with and get things fixed for the customer but yet you just get flamed. hmmm. Really funny that Deere has district and regional representatives that step up and fix problems day after day yet you have no knowledge of that. Yea you're a deere dealer alright. You've got great insight don't you.

 

[rtimgray]

First of all, an apology to Obrith - I misspelled your name (frequently) in my previous post. Sorry for the lack of attention to detail - no harm was intended.

Secondly - Richard, can you honestly, in your heart, believe that the John Deere corporation will act on every single comment that is made about the function/quality/etc of their equipment. You know as well as I do that most of the comments that would be brought up from folks are as useful as 80 grit sandpaper in an outhouse. I would suggest that you are an exception, rather than a rule. Can you even imagine if a company tried to respond to every single request that was directed at it? Tractors would cost 4 times as much just from having to have the staff to reply to the shear volume of incoming mail. You are obviously treated extremely well by JD and have a fierce loyalty to them, as would I if I were in your shoes. I have never known of any other tractor owner of any brand tractor any where in the country that has gotten such phenominal pricing and service for so many years (although I am certain you do). This is obviously because JD values not only your business but your expertise in improving their tractors technology.

Of course, I'm not certain that I believe anything you say about John Deere, because I have no way of knowing that you even own or have even seen a John Deere (although it does appear that you know they are at least green and yellow). As far as I know, you live in a high rise apartment in Hong Kong. But this thread, once again, appears to carry on the tractorbynet.com tradition of "If you don't agree with what a guy says, resort to personal attacks, call them a liar, a troll, an evil genious bent on ruling the world, etc.". There is no way for any of us to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, our tractor credentials. It's better if we can rise above petty name calling when possible...

...then again, I can always learn new names.


Once again, sorry for the misspelling of your name, Obrith.