Jobs and people over 40 years old.

   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #11  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am not aware of any tax cuts available to employers that hire college students. )</font>

He may be referring to "Work Study" money. A portion of a students wages are paid by the government, through the college, as long as they don't work more than 20 hours a week, (and other restrictions) up to some total amount per semester, that is calculated as part of the student's financial aid.
We've looked at it for the students we employ, and the additional paperwork vs. the amount saved isn't worth it.
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #12  
Terry, I live in a college town - Amherst, Massachusetts - and I certainly understand your worries about getting a job over 40. I'm 48 and I would not like to be out hunting work myself. I have similar age sisters in law, one of whom took 14 months to find a job and the other of whom is still looking after 12 months.

As regards the "undesirable" older worker idea . . . .

Even in a college town there are places for older workers.

Clearly, the music and comic stores patronized by kids are going to tend to place "kids" behind the counter.

But who buys tractors, Cadillacs, high end appliances at the local stores? Older people, and they are going to prefer older salespeople.

Who are the general contractors building the expensive houses all those faculty buy? Again, they are older people, and those folks will look to people their age for many things.

My point is that you should consider jobs where your age is an advantage because there are many such opportunities in a college town or any other town. Remember that even though the majority of people are college kids the money is all held by the faculty and administration and supporting cast of busineses, all of whom are your age. And for many things those people are going to want to deal with folks their own age, not kids.
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #13  
Well, I'm in the telecommunications field and either theres an exception to the rule that youth is better or I've happened upon two different companys, one large and one small that prefers experience over youth! Granted ones experience has to be with the particular equipment they sell & service but non-the less the employer I'm leaving says I can come back if it doesn't work out and the new employer wants me to start yesterday.

Did I mention I haven't seen 40 in quite awhile?

Seems the IT/MIS market much prefers the youth market. Telecommunications and IT are so intermixed now theres not much that separates them with most companys except the younger propeller-heads /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif prefer IT which leaves the legacy telecommunications to us old farts /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Theres not many colleges/tech schools producing engineers/tech's for the tried and true legacy TDM telecommunications now. Most leave their institutions of higher learning spouting "IP" and "SIP" and "CIR" and etc etc etc. TDM is a dinosaur to them.
Most are lost when they encounter large bays filled with blinking lights, circuit cards and walls filled with blocks, brackets and cross-connect wireing. What they want to deal with is a terminal w/a display & internet access /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That said, IP telephony is continually growing and will one day become the primary telecommunications transport but that day isn't coming none too soon yet. Cost, ROI and technology as well as the fact that the old legacy systems are continuing to work & work & work with 10 times more reliability is what's keeping them, hense me around. Course I'm takeing this time to learn the IP also because it is going to rule eventually and I plan on being around for awhile /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyways, age and experience isn't always a drawback. One has to change with the times.
Sometimes the hardest thing for a man to realize is that a time will come when he needs to either change roles or find another game. Just when you think you've figured it out the game changes /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Volfandt
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #14  
Terry, I work in the aviation training industry. I can honestly say our workforce is predominantly senior. Sure, there are youngsters in sales, finance, and admin; but our instructors and developers are well over 50 in average age. Many of our instructors are retired and work part time. They can get as many hours as they want.

Perhaps it's just because business aviation is on the move, but our business is great for older pilots with lots of experience. I will say that our maintenance training group is very much a younger group. It's the pilot training side where the experience of older people is such a high value.

Also, going back to school is never a bad idea. I think education should be a life-long plan. Just the fact that you are in school tells an employer that you are willing to make a committment to growth. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #15  
Im just blown away by all this great advice !
Tbn is truly a place where one can share their needs and get excellent answers without any BS. or put downs.
Muhammad has created and maintains a real treasure here.
Sincerely, Ernie
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #16  
Jinman has it right about aviation. I'm 57 and fly for an individual and some charter. When Mr. Big is in the back of his private Gulfstream somewhere over the Atlantic on a dark and stormy night, I think he likes a little grey on the temples of the pilots in his cockpit.

When I was young I worked cheap to gain experience to someday have the good job. Someday is now. Experience and wisdom can be appreciated when safety is at stake.
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #17  
<font color="blue"> TBN is truly a place where one can share their needs and get excellent answers without any BS or put downs.
Muhammad has created and maintains a real treasure here.
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Ernie, you just said a mouthful; very nicely put. This place really is amazing. A friend of mine recently made the comment, "Why would you need a whole website just to talk about tractors?" Oy. Leaving aside for the time being the astonishing number of considerations involved in performing an almost infinite number of tasks with a mind-boggling array of attachments under a nearly infinite variety of conditions; as I am so fond of saying, "TBN is not just about tractors", and it sure isn't.

Words are failing me as I try to express how valuable TBN is; not just for finding helpful, unbiased opinions on any subject under the sun concerning anything that occupies space and has mass, but also for sharing thoughts on less tangible subjects like this one, and so many others. And maybe most important of all, TBN allows us to interact with people we never would have met, learn about them, learn from them, and learn about ourselves in the process.

I wish it were true that there were never any put-downs here on TBN, but it's not. While the vast majority of the people here are just fantastic (Hi Jim /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif), there are still a lot who are not. I am tempted to use terms like "sarcastic, hostile, insulting, and just plain mean", but those are subjective terms, and I prefer objectivity. Suffice it to say that there is a lot of communication here that is not in keeping with the Golden Rule, and that I feel is the product of unresolved anger and a resultant lack of forgiveness, kindness, compassion and understanding.

There is a saying that "you can't give away what you don't have". If you don't have the aforementioned "good" qualities within you, you're not going to be able to give them to others, and it's going to show, thanks to the cold, hard "reality" of the written word.

Unlike a face-to-face discussion, where hormones and emotions are much more likely to cloud our better judgment and cause us to say things that we might wish we hadn't, the typed word is much different. We have all the time we need to say exactly what we want to say. If we type something that is openly hostile or constitutes an attack rather than an honest and gently spoken opinion, then we might want to look long and hard at ourselves and take responsibility for our own actions. Other people do not have the power to "make us angry", any more than they have the power to make us happy. No, ultimately it all comes from within.

Nothing is all black and white, and as long as we're breathing we're likely going to have some ego (although it just might be the case that man has the mental capacity to largely overcome millions of years of evolution), and are going to bristle when we're attacked, especially when we deem it "unfair". But to me, the measure of a man is how he responds to the situations in which he finds himself, and the amount of responsibility he takes for his own actions.

Off topic? I honestly don't think so. It took me more than 40 years to come to these realizations; to learn to let go of blame, to learn the importance of forgiveness, non-judgment, compassion and understanding. As Jim and others have said, age can be, and usually is, an asset, not a liability. Of course there are countless situations where the eagle eyes, lightning reflexes, physical strength and nearly boundless energy of youth are required; but for all the other situations, the wisdom that can come with age is a precious commodity indeed. He who truly knows himself can make some amazing contributions to a company, a community, or to the world.

Just my opinion,

John
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #18  
John, you expressed it better than I could & you sound like a nice guy. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I wish you were closer to Oregon, I could use your tree services. I plan on having 10 mid size oaks removed.
Ernie
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old. #19  
I lost my job at 43 but. due to being active in professional organizations was able to get one in the same field within weeks of being told the plant was closing. Worked for the new employer for 14 years and had a new group of corporate officers take over, I didn't agree with their policies so it was time to get out.
I decided to make my avocation my vocation and started my own business. It was the best move I ever made. I'm retiring this year and my children will take over the business. Working for yourself means you don't worry about age descrimination.
 
   / Jobs and people over 40 years old.
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Thanks for all the help and information. I'm got find a good job or go to college before I turn 50 because I have friend that worked for TRW as engineer that has 12 years of college. He lost his job with TRW after he turned 50 and TRW hired him back under a sub-contractor. His medical is a month 800.00 for him and his wife.
He said to me get a hired by employer before 50 or you will never find a job.
Terry
 

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