John Deere 110

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Tags, JoeReal;
I put my hoe back on today. I experienced a great deal of difficulty in doings so. One of the mounting pin just would not line up. I think that it is ever so slightly bent. It was very frustrating, it would go threw the first two holes by would not go the rest of the way. The other pin slips right in.
This is the same pin that I had diffculty removing. I put never seize on the pins as directed too by the dealer. I finally got it by switching pins.

 

[Tags]

Bushy,
If I had doubts about this machine anywhere,it was with thise pins and how easy/hard they would be to remove/install,I have to say I have not had a lick of trouble either way,the biggest thing that i have found with the removeable hoes is that the flatter the spot, the easier it is lining everything up.I find it hard that one of those pins is bent,that sucker is thick,but stranger things have happened,it may just be that each pin is matched to its own side,that would make sense since the pin went in on the opposite side.Also when you remove/install the hoe make sure you put the bucket down on the ground,this allows you to put more pressure on the hoe,wich makes it easier to get the pin holes to line up.One more thing,the never sieze sounds good but I think it may catch dirt falling off your boots when running the hoe,and that may turn into a nice rubbing compound in there,slowly grinding away at the pins and the holes,but maybe not.Stay cool,and happy diggin'

 

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Tags,
I pulled a stump with the hoe this weekend. It was a beautiful blue spruce that was up rooting. So one side of the root mass was where I could get the hoe under. Though it was a small stump [12''], the hoe pulled it effortlessly. I did it at about dusk under the lights. I love those lights.

The next morning I noticed that the boom on the hoe had settled. The boom lock was not on. I'm thinking that this is normal since there is a boom lock, though I thought that was to benefit when moving around. What do you think?

I'm looking forward to doing some ditching, I haven't done much. Bushy.

 

[Tags]

Bushy,
Yep,thats definitely normal.The boom lock is there so it doesn't settle when you don't want it to/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif,like if you were bucketing around a large amount of material it keeps the hoe up nice and tight so it doesn't "slap".I always put the loader or hoe down when shutting the machine down,it just relives un-due strain to the seals and cylenders.Oh,the thing trenches beautifully,especially with the creep feature,the hoe really has great diggin' power.

 

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Tags,
I spoke to the dealer about the pin problem. He is going to order one to see if that solves the problem.

Do you get any squealing noise from your hydralics when you first start your machine, that stops when you idle it up?

What speed do you run the machine when you are ditching? Doesn't seem to need very much juice. Bushy

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Boring, boring, boring, let me hear what this machine can do and can't. Hows the loader, what about the HST, is it as good as Kubotas? Can all the heat coming into the operator area be diverted elsewhere. My dealer has had a number of them sitting on his lot for a month now and there not moving, are they overpriced? In other words, whats the skinny. I've seen all the problems you fellas have had, thats a shame. A new machine like that should be top notch. I'm going to hold off till these bugs get worked out or just go buy the larger Kubota L 48. MaK

 

[Tags]

MaK,
Sorry to have bored you soooo much/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif,as far as what it can and can't do,it has done everything I have wanted it to so far without a whimper,as far as the problems(besides getting it)is pretty much par for the course with a brandy new model till they work all the bugs out.The loader on this machine is very fast and very responsive,I have picked up things with it that I know have been over the rated capacity of the loader without a problem.This is my first HST machine and I have to say I love it,silky smooth,and a breeze to operate,as far as being good as Kubotas,to me it is just as good,I've had time on an L48 and the Kubotas pedal arrangement bugged me,it just seemed awkward to me but lots of people love it.As far as pricing,I bought mine with all the options plus a 4n1 bucket,the hd loader bucket and 2 hoe buckets for $41500,this was about $1000 less than an L48 without the extra buckets,I think once the Deere is out in the field for a bit you'll see em' start to move quicker,Deere hasn't even advertised this machine yet.Also the hydraulic options for it seem better thought out and are more intregal than on the Kubota,and as far as the 48 being bigger,unless you really need the extra foot of hoe,the 48 isn't really bigger,yes it is wider but thats not always a good thing,the loader bucket capacity is the same,but I think the loader lift capacity is more on the 48 by 200lbs.I use the 110 commercially,and for what I do it fills bill perfectly,and I'm very happy I purchased it,I'm not ever going to dig 10' deep with the hoe or dig house foundations with it,some frost walls or small additons yes,it trenches beautifully,and I would bet it is the smoothest runnin compact hoe out there today,it is noticeably smoother than the 48.If you have any other questions fire away,I'll be happy to give you more feedback.

P.S.
Since running it more the heat off the machine is really minor and nothing to worry about,but I would imagine a fan could be mounted down low to blow it away,but I don't think its neccesarry.

 

[JATO_RaT]

Hey Tags, I'm glad you finally got the bugs worked out of the "Spider". My dealer as I mentioned awhile back also has 2 new machines sitting in his yard. One is a JD 110 with a 4N1 and the other without. I was wondering why they are still there for a new spiffy machine. Like MaK, I'm wondering if he's charging considerably more then the price you paid. I know Carvers is selling L48's at about 38K and in some cases less then that. At any rate, a few thousand either way for the machine you really want shouldn't get in your way. I'll ask him when and if I get the chance. Hes a real straight shooter and since he has both the Kubotas and the JD line (actually he carries no green tractors only orders them for folks) I'll pick his brain for differences between the 2.
My L48 seems to get better with time. The power steering is the one thing everyone comments on that "try out" my L48. Whether its fully loaded to the max or empty, the steering is always the same, super easy. I have never yet used or owned a tractor where a loaded bucket didn't have an impact on the degree of difficulty in turning the wheel. The maximum lift of the loader, its hard to say how much more it is then the JD 110 because there has not yet been a load I could not lift with the exception of chaining to a tree or wedging out a rock. The loader on the L48 will tweak (actually destroy) the bucket if your not careful especially with the toothbar on. My tooth bar is pretty bent up and those tooth brackets are some thick steel. Fortunately, its mostly the replaceable teeth that have been bent over, almost as if they were heated. By all means, the only bucket to have is the heavy duty and then some. I've been digging out some of my pond where my driveway crosses it and the wet muck coming out of there lightens up the rear end even with ballast and 1200 lbs of boxscraper. The loader has guts. I am so incredibly impressed with the hydrostatic drive on this tractor that I was glad to hear you like it as well. That has been my local dealers biggest concern with JD's and why he carries very few of the green JD's, he was tired to the point of sending the hydrostatic JD's out to be repaired, a complete split of the tractor.
The heat you mentioned just does not exist on my machine and I have got to the point where my H20 temp is about 3/4's up, pulling a loaded bucket up a 20 degree slope on our 100 degree days and even at that, there just is no heat placed on the operator. I have to say, I really like the engine on the L48, very quiet and as I have found out, really no need to exceed 1800 RPM, after that, there just doesn't seem to be any benefit other then a little extra ground speed. Its got tremendous power, not quite as much as the L4850 5 cylinder I also use, but its got HST which now that I have it, I just don't think I could go back. When I use non HST tractors like my International, it reinforces my opinion about HST even with the power loss that is inevitabe.
I did not get the hoe with the L48 as I mentioned awhile back as I would rarely use it, so I cannot comment on that other then to say the mini excavators still have it hands down over the hoes and probably the only way I'd end up going myself as there is just no way I'm throwing a hoe on and taking it off for my boxblade, mower, or Harley rake, I'd just as soon have a rental company bring out a hoe or excavator if needed for my very infrequent use. The JD 100 looks like a great machine, almost as nice as my L48. Take Care, Rat...

P.S. rarely get on TBN much anymore, just to busy to bother. Its always good to see a few familar names none the less. Where's Mark Chalkey?

 

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Bushy,
Yes my machine "squeals" also when first starting it,I think it is just the hydraulics coming up to pressure,I don't think it is anything to be concerned about.As far as engine speed when trenching,I think I run it right around 2000rpm ,more to get the speed out of it than anything else,but it digs just just fine at a lower rpm also,I,ve been using my 16" bucket but my 2' bucket just arrived yesterday and that is what I will use primarily for diggin so I'll let you know how it digs with it.

 

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Rat,
I figured you might chime in being that the love of of your life was mentioned/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif.I still haven't gotten my 4n1 buket but was told it'll be here next week,my toothbar did come in today though so I'm gonna slap it on the regular bucket tomorrow or Friday,I'm interested to see how it performs.I have been using the crap out of my Harley rake and have to say the carbide tipped roller is the way to go,well worth the money,I also got a set of end plates for it and I'm not sure how I lived without em'.I can now rake and not leave a single ridge anywhere,it basically eliminates going over the raked areas with a hand rake,it also enables you to carry more material with the rake and gives you the ability to carry most of the rocks to the end instead of windrowing them.I bought all the parts right from Glenmac and was very impressed with their service and the time they were willing to spend with me on the phone,if I ever buy another rake it'll definetly be from them,if you want I can get you the guys name a number at Glenmac just so you have it handy.I do need to load the rear tires though,it can get pretty dicey with a bucket full o' rocks and the rake on the rear,it just isn't heavy enough.Anyway it was good to hear from ya,hope all is well,talk to ya soon.
Tags

 

[JATO_RaT]

Tags, (aka Spiderman), I have the older 1992 style Harley with horizontal bars. As incredible as I think it is, I could see where the points would do a great job at opening up the soil and clearing it of debris. For a very rocky situation, especally with unmovable rock, the bars work great as they ride over it. Give me a hint about the price and size of what you have. Mine is actually my brother in laws, I just keep it for him. I originally tried the 6' Harley but his L 4850 would simply over power the rake. The clutch would slip and unless you had your eye glued to it, you would smoke it. The 8' rarely slips. The big gauge wheels work great in my soft ground that typically gets ripped by my boxblade and then scarified with the Halley and finally leveled and cleaned by the rollers.
Stopped by my local Kubota/JD dealer. He has both JD 110's on the lot but one is sold and the other is still up for sale. The price is very comparable to the L48. There is very little dealing to be had because supplies of everything from Deeres to Kubotas is tight. I would like to consider "down grading" in size from my L48 before it gets to many hours. I realize that now that most of my large grading is done, I really need a removable loader for all the mowing I do here at my place, about 9+ acres of it. What are your thoughts for a replacement? I looked at JD's 4610 and 4710 as well as Kubotas L4610. The one thing I really like about Kubotas is the loader. It is so much beefier, weighs about 400lbs more. On the other hand, I have not a tremendous amount of loader work left. I like the 4610 JD over the slightly more powerful 4710 because it is not only a smaller engine, but my understanding, a better engine. Its the same one as the JD 110. Rat...

 

[JoeReal]

Yada yada yada. What do people think these 110's are suppose to do? Move a mountain? I don't think so. It's a compact tractor. Built with limitations like all equipment. I got a chance to grade a road with my 4n1. What a nice job it did. It's going to do everything I want it to do. For big jobs. I'm not stupid. I hire it out. The salesman delivered my belly pan . I installed it in 2.5 hours. And I'm slow at everything. I'm still waiting for the outrigger guards and rear work lights. I haven't taken the hoe off yet. I got 8.5 hours on it now wow. I'm gonna wear her out in no time! I actually pulled some major stumps out and had a rock fall on the outrigger cylinder. Ouch. Wished I would have had those guards. I have a nice nick on the cylinder now. Happy tractoring. By the way I sold my International hoe. She was the longest relationship I ever had.

 

[Tags]

Rat,or should I say Ahhrnold,I think my rake is a 95' or 96' and there was absolutely nuttin' left of the bars,they were literally starting to fall off,as far as going over rock,the dimples do but just make more of a racket during the process,I've run over a few and it hasn't hurt a thing.As far as pricing I think I paid about mid sixes for the rake,the new roller and bearings cost $1800 with shipping and the end plates cost $350.I got about seven years out of the bar roller so it didn't owe me a thing and I feel the money I spent rehabing the rake was well worth it.Just curious though,you brought up a good point,with the hydro, if the clutch on the rake slips,there is no clutch to stop the pto,am I to assume that I should keep my hand over the pto button constantly in case something gets jammed up in the rollers?Have you encountered this problem?I think I have only seen the clutch slip once or twice on my rake and never thought it to be an issue but I would hate to wreck it.

As far as Kubota or Deere,orange vs. green(not yellow!)I am very partial to Kubota and always have been,the greenies just don't LOOK like they have the beef that the Kubies do,but I have not really had any time or experience on the green Deeres .It really seems that the guys on the board love em',but in the end you are the guy that has to be happy.I also think the L4610 has pretty good lift capacity compared to the Deere.The reason I went with the 110 was really because the green people at Deere didn't have much to do with it,it was mainly the construction division that designed it which is easy to see when lookin' at it,about the only things that are the same on the 110 and the 4600 is the motor and the floor mat.Anyway I hope my inane babble was helpful.Tags

 

[JATO_RaT]

So Tags, your rake had the bars and you replaced them with the spiked roller? How do the two compare? The endplate idea was mine, they stole it. That would help out tremendously. So how are you liking the hydrostatic. It is so slick with the rake. As I see rocks slipping the other way it is so easy just to let up on the pedal, back off on the speed and let it catch up. Rat...

P.S. did JoeReal Yada, yada, yada me?

 

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Joe,
Hope you are enjoying your 110 as much as I am.Now that you've had it for a bit,was it worth the wait?I just got my 4n1 bucket today,so I slapped it on and put her to work,the controlls to operate it on the loader lever are real slick,much better than having to manipulate two levers at the same time.Just curious if your hydraulic lines for the 4n1 hang down low to the ground when the bucket is in the "dig" position,I had to loop a bungee cord around the loader cross member and the lines to keep them from touching the ground,other wise the thing works great,good clamping pressure and it responds quick too.Hope all is well,happy diggin'.

 

[Tags]

Ahhhh,ok Rat,your idea,the endplates,they stole it,big conspiracy,next you'll be telling me your name is Zoltar,and you're from Mars /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif.Seriously though,if you think the bars do a good job,the teeth do twice the job cause they have the ability to "till" the soil better,and it does a better job of chewing up sod and pulling out rocks that the bars would normally bounce over.As far as the endplates Zoltar,they really don't advise using them with the bars,they say rocks can get jammed between the bar and top roller,where as the teeth will let the rock pass between the teeth and not jam,but using the plates just gives you the ability to hold more rocks/material on the rake which is just all around better.Now that I've had it for 40 hours or so I don't think I'd want a machine without a hydro tranny,the ability to speed up and slow down for the conditions is great,no stopping to switch gears,I have yet to find where a gear model would be better,and I would advise anyone buying a compact to go hydro.

P.S. Not sure if he yada,yada,yadaed you but if he did,he better watch his back/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[JoeReal]

Man some people are so sensitive. I wasn't yada-ing anyone in particular. Just the tractor universe in general. Rats your not one of those sensitive New Age types are yada? Oops I mean you. Tags I haven't used my tractor much so I can't be sure about those hoses dragging. Although I think I would have noticed if they had. I've got about 100+ feet of driveway and a gravel pad to put in at home so I'll be able to tell better when I use it. I'll let you know. I was at the dealers today picking some lawnmower stuff and my rear work lights had just come in. I'm still waiting for those outrigger guards. I'd liked to have them seeing what happened the last time I used the hoe. I asked the salesman to check into a front snowplower. I know they install them on skidsteers. Just wondering about the hydraulic capability.

 

[Tags]

Joe,
I think the 110 in a snowplowing capacity would be great,especially if someone comes out with a nice little cab unit for it.As far as hydraulic capability,if it runs the 4n1 it will have no problem pushing snowplow cylenders in and out.I think the machine has a 12gallon per minute flow to the front couplers,and I have been told it has the ability to run a front mounted sweeper.Glad it is woking well for ya,now get to gradin'!!

 

[JATO_RaT]

Tags, I checked into the Glenmac/Harley site for info on the Pro 8 or Pro 6 rake. I need some parts for my Pro 8 with the bars. The solid carbide pegs really look like they are the next generation in landscape rakes. I could see where they could replace for me the need for a tiller where all I really want to do is clean up the soil and level things out without adding all the air that tilling does. I generally rip the soil with my box scraper anyway. I'm really interested. Oddly, the Glenmac sight mentions that the Pro8 needs about 35+ Hp to work. I have found the rollers take very little PTO power. It is really a incredible product, I think my Pro 8 is marvelous and its the old style. Can't imagine it gettting much better but it sure looks like the carbide pegs are really the way to go. Thanks for the info, yadayada, Rat...

 

[JoeReal]

Tags I check the hoses on my 4n1. Looks good to me. I dont see where they would ever drag. It would be better if they were not there at all but then I wouln't have a 4n1 bucket.
Maybe since you got yours after the tractor came in they probably allowed more hose in case it went on a different machine like a skid steer. Just a thought.