John Deere 5083e Power Reverser

[Jd5203]

Does anyone know if the power reverser on a 2012 John Deere 5083e is activated using an electronic signal or is it a manual linkage? I am trying to figure out if my camera system will be able to automatically switch to my rear facing camera by using the power reverser. Thanks.

 

[bumperm]

Can't answer your question directly . . . when I did the fore and aft cam install on my B3350, I gave up and took the easy way out using a sub-mini toggle on the loader joystick (there was already as small housing installed there for the 3rd function with enough room to accommodate one more switch. I figured there'd be times when I wanted to keep and eye on the 3-point implement while going forward.

I use the forward cam (mounted center on the front loader) far more than the back one.



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This works for bucket and pallet forks. Did make one change and that is the stalk has about a 15* forward bend between camera and top of bucket. Oh, and it's maybe 6" shorter than the one shown. This for clearance issues in some configs with the camera and brush guard. The stalk has a quick clamp for fore and aft and also length.

bumper

 

[Jd5203]

I like how you added the camera but I will need something more substantial as it is going on for a tree shear my dad just bought so it will be getting hit by branches and stuff like that. I'm going to build a case for it and either put it directly on the shear or on the loader. This is basically what he got, it is supposed to cut a 14.75 inch tree in one cut and larger in more cuts. The salesman said to make sure the tree is back in the wedge as far as possible to prevent the blades breaking. I would prefer to mount it on the loader frame somewhere so that I don't have to undo the weathers each time.

 

[buickanddeere]

Parts book is on the JD web site. My Father just bought the 2nd last new 5083E in Canada . It had been sitting on the lot ignored because somebody ordered it with ultra shorty wheels for loader work in barns. It's wearing the 16.9-30 tires etc now.

 

[Zebrafive]

Electro-Hydraulic I would get the instructions from my JD dealer for the backup alarm install, kit LVB 25728. That should tell you where the backup alarm plugs in. I think you will find your machine already has the connector.

If you go with a switch, check ebay seller: on_board_air_usa He has a lot of nice switches.

 

[bumperm]

I like how you added the camera but I will need something more substantial as it is going on for a tree shear my dad just bought so it will be getting hit by branches and stuff like that. I'm going to build a case for it and either put it directly on the shear or on the loader. This is basically what he got, it is supposed to cut a 14.75 inch tree in one cut and larger in more cuts. The salesman said to make sure the tree is back in the wedge as far as possible to prevent the blades breaking. I would prefer to mount it on the loader frame somewhere so that I don't have to undo the weathers each time.View attachment 397936

I agree (I made mine so it swings out of the way easily if I'm working in brush etc.). The camera is very "hardened" by RVS. In your case I'd weld on a 3/16" steel box or guard on the top bar and mount the cam in that. The camera has a quick connect, so changing implements is easy. Then get a separate cam for your loader if desired ($100). I'm really pleased with the RVS system, good definition and easy to see in sunlight (I have a cab though, so that helps). Only time the camera gets faked out is when sun is low and shining right on it, or it's very bright outside and the area of interest is shaded. I guess I could try adjusting monitor but haven't bothered yet.

bumper

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[Jd5203]

I'm thinking of putting it on the bottom of the wire mesh at the top of the T due to the fact I'm going to be working in trees with low branches. I might just use zip ties to put it on that way I can take it on and off easily and put on the loader frame when I'm not using the shear. Otherwise I might just get the wireless ones but I don't spend like spending another $100, it's $274 for the monitor and two cameras wired and then $384 for the same but wireless. Also the camera on the loader, when I am square baling I will take it and put it by the knotters to see what's going on there.

 

[Jd5203]

Ok, so I just found this in the operators manual. Electro-hydraulic (EH) directional reverser lever (C) provides travel direction (forward or reverse). This means the lever uses an electronic signal to operate they hydraulic to change direction correct. Like in electro hydraulic brakes on trailers, it sends an electronic signal to activate the fluid. Am I thinking right or am I completely lost. Thanks to everyone for their thoughts.

 

[Jd5203]

Electro-Hydraulic I would get the instructions from my JD dealer for the backup alarm install, kit LVB 25728. That should tell you where the backup alarm plugs in. I think you will find your machine already has the connector.

If you go with a switch, check ebay seller: on_board_air_usa He has a lot of nice switches.

I never thought of this but it would have to work. As for the switch I would not need one because I can change it on the monitor or with the clicker that comes with it, but I would rather it do it automatically when I switch to reverse otherwise it will be more trouble to hit the button then it would to turn around.

 

[Zebrafive]

I'm thinking of putting it on the bottom of the wire mesh at the top of the T due to the fact I'm going to be working in trees with low branches. I might just use zip ties to put it on that way I can take it on and off easily and put on the loader frame when I'm not using the shear. Otherwise I might just get the wireless ones but I don't spend like spending another $100, it's $274 for the monitor and two cameras wired and then $384 for the same but wireless. Also the camera on the loader, when I am square baling I will take it and put it by the knotters to see what's going on there.

"Wireless" is just the camera signal, you still need power to the camera. I think a better application is inside a trailer that you want o monitor the contents and have 12 volts available, such as a horse or livestock trailer.

 

[Zebrafive]

The reverser lever controls solenoids (electrical) that operate valves (hydraulic).
As I said in post #5, there should be a connector for a backup alarm already on your tractor. You just need to locate it, hence my reason for telling you to ask for backup alarm install instructions from your local JD dealer service department. They can print them out for you. Backup alarm is kit LVB 25728. Power your rear camera from this and it will activated any time you are in reverse.

 

[Jd5203]

Yeah, I think they would be powered by a battery inside them. I have decided to get the wired one just for the cost. I am still trying to figure out how to plug it into the reverser like the backup alarm. I talked to John Deere and asked them where it plugged in at and they did not answer anything except, "please contact your dealer and have them look at it." My dealer is 1 1/2 hours away and I'm not having them come out. All I wanted from them was a directional guide for installation for the backup alarm kit emailed to me so I can figure this out.

 

[Jd5203]

The reverser lever controls solenoids (electrical) that operate valves (hydraulic).
As I said in post #5, there should be a connector for a backup alarm already on your tractor. You just need to locate it, hence my reason for telling you to ask for backup alarm install instructions from your local JD dealer service department. They can print them out for you. Backup alarm is kit LVB 25728. Power your rear camera from this and it will activated any time you are in reverse.

Thanks for all your help. I won't get it installed until mid December as I am in college now and it's a surprise for the family farm. When I get it installed I'll try and get some pictures of how to install it for other people who might want to pursue it. Thanks again for your help.

 

[Jd5203]

Ok, so the dealer sent me the info and said that they come straight from the factory with the electronic wiring for the back up alarm. But, while looking through it it says to install a switch. So I am thinking that I will get the switch for the back up alarm and then rewire it to the camera. Do you think this will work?

Installation—Cab Tractors with SYNCSHUTTLE Transmission
1. Disconnect battery negative (—) cable.
2. Remove plug with O*ring (A) located on the right side of transmission housing below range and gearshift levers.
3. Install switch with O*ring (B). Tighten to specification.
Specification
Back*up Alarm Switch
with O*Ring—Torque...................................................... 50 N∙m (37 lb*ft)
4.
Connect wire harness (C) to switch (B). Route wire harness towards rear of tractor.
A—Plug with O*Ring C—Wire Harness (Item 1 on B—Switch with O*Ring (Item 2 Parts List)
on Parts List)


 

[bumperm]

I'm thinking of putting it on the bottom of the wire mesh at the top of the T due to the fact I'm going to be working in trees with low branches. I might just use zip ties to put it on that way I can take it on and off easily and put on the loader frame when I'm not using the shear. Otherwise I might just get the wireless ones but I don't spend like spending another $100, it's $274 for the monitor and two cameras wired and then $384 for the same but wireless. Also the camera on the loader, when I am square baling I will take it and put it by the knotters to see what's going on there.

Consider using 3M Dual Lock, far more secure than hook and loop, will hold cam rigidly but allow easy removal.

As Zebrafive says, wireless only applies to the data, you still have to power the cam with wired 12 volts - - most all of them don't run on internal batteries and you wouldn't want that anyway, batteries wouldn't last very long. The wireless systems have another disadvantage in that they suffer from the vagaries of radio, subject to RFI (radio frequency interference) etc. Not unheard of to have picture interference and drop outs.

You'll want to get the camera and monitor temporarily hooked up, takes just minutes, then figure out were you are going to mount things. With the Rear View Safety system I mentioned earlier, everything wires back to a "multiplex box" that can be hidden away behind the dash or wherever. Power is only required to this box. Everything else just plugs into the multiplex box - plug and play. Some other systems have all wiring going to the monitor (not usually so convenient to wire) as with the RVS, only one wire need go to the monitor.

Note that the plugs on the RVS system are 5/8" diameter and the cords provided are generous in length - this can also present a problem in some cases. It may be more convenient to cut the wire so that you have only to route a 3/16" wire, this also allows removal of any excess wire. Splicing the cable back together is easy (soldering required). There's 5 wires and 6 if you count the shield on the yellow video wire which needs to be connected too. (If you don't want to use the remote microphone function, you can skip those two wires.)

The location of your forward cam will, to a degree, be dictated by the field of view. Typical back up cams have a fairly wide field of view, 140 degrees or so. This allows the camera to be mounted close and still cover a good area. On my front loader, I can see the entire cutting edge with the camera mount as shown in my previous post.

 

[Jd5203]

The one I am looking at just has the cameras plug in the monitor so that gets rid of the separate box. What is the 3M Dual Lock, I've never heard of it, is it just like adhesive tape or something?

 

[bumperm]

The one I am looking at just has the cameras plug in the monitor so that gets rid of the separate box. What is the 3M Dual Lock, I've never heard of it, is it just like adhesive tape or something?

3M dual lock is a similar product to adhesive hook and loop strips (i.e. Velcro), but much stronger and more secure. It consists of a strong adhesive to bond the fastener to a substrate. The fastener consists of hundreds of small plastic "mushrooms" that interlock together securely (both fasteners surfaces are the same, unlike hook and loop). Amazon.com: dual lock

In many installations, the monitor will be mounted in a location that may not lend itself well to having multiple wires running to it. With two cameras, that would be three cables total (12v, cam1 and cam2). My monitor is mounted just above the dash with only a single small cable running to it which is concealed behind it and running though a notch in the edge of the dash plastic. Not the best photo below, but taken from eye level to show this mounting location doesn't block outside visibility. On my tractor, this is the only location that makes sense, though if I had to use the monitor as a wiring hub, it would not fit in as nicely.


An additional advantage of the RVS system is that the camera's are exceedingly robust. My front cam is mounted on a stalk, which originally was straight, an oversight that allowed the camera, when the bucket was below tractor level and curled full up, to come into contact with the underside of my brush guard. And so it did, bending my brush guard into a pretzel and bending the steel tube fork and camera mount. The camera itself was unscathed other than some orange paint transfer. I cut apart the brush guard, straightened parts in a press, and welded it back together. Made a new camera mount stalk with a bend in it for clearance. Re-used the undamaged camera whose housing must have had 1/2 a ton of force applied.

 

[Jd5203]

I know pretty much how I'm going to mount it, it will be easier than yours was due to I have the new cab I just have to fab up a mount for the corner post.
The main thing I'm trying to figure out is hooking it up to switch between cameras when reverse is engaged. I'm going to plug it into where the backup alarm is plugged in. But for the back up alarm you have to install the switch as seen below. I am wondering if I need to purchase the switch from John Deere and then just rewire it to the monitor, what do you think?
Installation—Cab Tractors with SYNCSHUTTLE Transmission
1. Disconnect battery negative (—) cable.
2. Remove plug with O*ring (A) located on the right side of transmission housing below range and gearshift levers.
3. Install switch with O*ring (B). Tighten to specification.

 

[Zebrafive]

I know pretty much how I'm going to mount it, it will be easier than yours was due to I have the new cab I just have to fab up a mount for the corner post.
The main thing I'm trying to figure out is hooking it up to switch between cameras when reverse is engaged. I'm going to plug it into where the backup alarm is plugged in. But for the back up alarm you have to install the switch as seen below. I am wondering if I need to purchase the switch from John Deere and then just rewire it to the monitor, what do you think?
Installation—Cab Tractors with SYNCSHUTTLE Transmission
1. Disconnect battery negative (—) cable.
2. Remove plug with O*ring (A) located on the right side of transmission housing below range and gearshift levers.
3. Install switch with O*ring (B). Tighten to specification.

You should be able to use this switch for a backup camera. I think you should buy the switch from JD. Depending on how the switch works; will tell you how to wire the camera. If it has two wires you can use it to switch the 12 volt wire to the camera. If it has only one wire (I assume it connects to ground) you could hook you camera ground wire to it.

 

[Jd5203]

So if the switch has two wires and has the 12V wire, shouldn't that be able to power everything, because in my mind it would have to have some type of power going through it for the back up alarm in order for it to work, right?