John Deere 820 Basic Maintenance Manual

[buickanddeere]

Anyone know where I can obtain a basic maintenance manual for my 820?

You could try getting a manual from John Deere? 1-800-522-7448. Don't waste your time and money on an I&T booklet.

 

[veto56]

thanks for the reply it was great help'wondering what the chain was for.lol try to refurbish tractor,had to do major cleanup with fuel system,injectors,new filters,return lines etc.drain fuel tank and i have never seen black fuel before.lol and ways started right up with ether hit.but wont stay running no air in system(bubbles)return line flows good .But checking have fuel in injector pump but no fuel coming out to injectors.The manual states that turning the key on energizes the pump it comes from the silenod.their is a ground wire from the fuse box ti the pump but i dont see any other wire going to the injector pump.how does it get energized?the manual states it has a auto shut off.And i guess energizing pump opens the shut off valve.I want to think its not getting energized to open shut off valve this is my problem.can anyone help me on this im stumped !!!!

 

[jenkinsph]

Do you have a vom meter? You should verify that you have 12 volts to the lead going to the injector pump with the ignition switch in the on position. If you don't have a meter a continuity tester light would work for this too.

Depending on the injector pump you have I think most of them have a short three inch wire that grounds the coil to the housing of the pump and a long lead that goes back to the instrment panel, this long lead should have 12v + on it.

 

[veto56]

Thankyou for the come back the pump is a JDB there is one wire that goes to the neg- side of the fuse box.thats the only wire on the pump.the tractor was a mess when i pulled it out of a barn.I had to clean up all the wiring.the only other wire going to dash is the red wire from the coil and a black ground wire which is on top of the starter. is the wire from the pump on the left side of the motor should be a 12v wire? ty again ive cleaned this bad boy up and its starting to look good.Would like to get this going to bushhog with it.As the other tractors are gas.and they love it lolol.:laughing::laughing:

 

[duke7595]

Hello,
I have a 820 John Deere myself. I do know they need voltage to them to open the fuel flow. They also used different makes of injector pumps.

As soon as I am able to get to my tractor I will look and find the wire you spoke of. But I think if you just turn the key to the on position you should be able
to hear it click on.

In any event I will get back to you very shortly with some information.

 

[duke7595]

Ok mine is a ROSSA MASTER injector pump. The supply Hot wire, runs from the
pump to the key switch.

On mine the wire is located on top toward the front of the injector pump.
It is in plain sight ,can't miss it. They use a everyday type nut to hold
the wire in place.

I hope i have helped you, Good Luck

 

[jenkinsph]

Thankyou for the come back the pump is a JDB there is one wire that goes to the neg- side of the fuse box.thats the only wire on the pump.the tractor was a mess when i pulled it out of a barn.I had to clean up all the wiring.the only other wire going to dash is the red wire from the coil and a black ground wire which is on top of the starter. is the wire from the pump on the left side of the motor should be a 12v wire? ty again ive cleaned this bad boy up and its starting to look good.Would like to get this going to bushhog with it.As the other tractors are gas.and they love it lolol.:laughing::laughing:

I suspect the long wire that you speak of that is going to the negative side of the fuse box is wrong. If your tractor is like the rest of the 820's it is negative ground, running a lead to the negative fuse buss doesn't accomplish anything. My BDF injector pump has the long lead routed to the ignition switch run position with a small fuse inline. What is your tractor serial number (doesn't have to be exact)? I ask because there are several injector pump versions and the Roosa Master was used early up to about 45000 and then later somewhere above 80,000. Are the injector lines to the cylinders in a radial pattern around the pump or are they all positioned on the end in a circle?

Something else to remember is the magnet/slug can click but the valve can be stuck closed meaning the electric fuel shutoff needs to be freed up.

My 820 is a late model built in the last year of production sn 101XXX L here is a picture of the injector pump, mine has started leaking on the top and is collecting dust and dirt making a mess. I spent some time researching options last night and found a good place to rebuild the pump for $220 labor and parts if you wind up needing this.

In the picture notice that the outside solenoid ground terminal is connected to the housing with a short wire lead about four inches long. The inside lead is the one going back to the switch run terminal.

 

[duke7595]

I just got off work. I will get you the serial number tomorrow and post in the afternoon, also the the pattern you mentioned.

 

[veto56]

I put the wire on the top nut like you surggested took ohm meter ok great i have power going to the pump.i cracked the bolt on the return line i have fuel now coming out the return line i can still see air bubbles.So im going to bleed it to get all the air out.Question do i need to crack open the lines at the injectors to bleed to the injectors?ty for the reply.I know its probably sum thing silly.Cause it did run just that it had dirty fuel causing it to miss.

 

[veto56]

the # is 097130L code#T4HDC which operation manual says a 1973 I will take some picks and send.I followed the wire back to fuse box and it is on the ground side of the box,which when i turn key it goes hot at the pump.Im dying to get this tractor going I think it will be a mule.

 

[veto56]

my pump looks just like yours and i see the wire goes on the inside bolt this helps as the wire was on the outside bolt im going to change.tyty

 

[veto56]

here's some pics of my 820 trying to get going.

 

[jenkinsph]

my pump looks just like yours and i see the wire goes on the inside bolt this helps as the wire was on the outside bolt im going to change.tyty

Make sure the post you put the hot wire on is not shorted to ground. On mine the inside terminal is the post that takes the hot wire and the outside terminal is connected to ground with the short lead wire. Do you have this short lead wire too? Use an ohm meter to measure the resistance between the inside terminal and ground. I would also recommend you add a cheap inline fuse with a 1 or 2 amp fast blow fuse to the hot lead as a precaution before attempting to switch the leads.

I would bleed all the air and any residual dirty fuel between the filters and pump first using the manual pump on the engine. If it doesn't start after this I would then bleed the top lines to the injectors.

Your not far from the injector shop I use and have used years ago. This shop is located in Olive Branch Ms just below the state line. This would be my go to shop to rework pumps and test injectors.

Ag Fuel Injection Pumps : American Diesel Service, Power Stroke Duramax Cummins Diesel Parts, Pumps, Injectors, & Gaskets

Let me know how this works out for you, close up pics of the injector pump would help alot too.

 

[veto56]

You could try getting a manual from John Deere? 1-800-522-7448. Don't waste your time and money on an I&T booklet.

mine just came in mail i bought at All State AG parts

 

[duke7595]

Hello,

I am very happy I could help. I would bleed the entire system, starting from the two
filters, by using the fuel pump lever. Then work your way to the injectors one at a time until you have a clear fuel flow.
I believe you are on your way to getting it running , remember to make sure the fuel
pump lever has resistance, if not, just tap the starter until you do.
Once your down bleeding the system, make sure the fuel pump lever is completely in the down position.

Good luck, and if I can help in any way don't hesitate to contact me.

 

[jenkinsph]

my pump looks just like yours and i see the wire goes on the inside bolt this helps as the wire was on the outside bolt im going to change.tyty

I assume you mean the wire goes back to the load side of the fuse block, not to a negative ground terminal.

At any rate now that you have fuel flow I would bleed the injector lines starting with the farthest or longest line.

Hope it fires up for you.:thumbsup:

 

[veto56]

ty for the come back.ok to wire goes back to the neg side of fuse box .when i turn the key on its hot,this way if something is wrong it would blow the fuse at the box.I just checked I know fuel is coming out of pump cause fuel is leaking at the bolts to the lines to the injectors i took off all line and cleaned them out.will bleed today at the injectors and cross my fingers.thanks againto both of you.Duke and jenkins

 

[JimRB]

There is no negative in a fuse block. There is line, +, or source, the fuse, then load. This connection after the fuse may be referred to a protected or fused. Some wires may not go through a fuse block but may have fusible links. Chrysler likes to use fusible links in their charging system wiring and fusible links sometimes have some pretty big amp ratings. Negative or ground refers to the - on the battery which usually connects to metal on the engine. Only reason to bring the correct terminology up is some devices have a fused power source and also have a negative or ground wire. The lights on my tractor work that way as they are mounted in rubber grommets that insulate.

I was looking for some sites on the internet to explain with pictures but I failed. Anyhow all someone was trying to suggest is the proper term is important when troubleshooting. Hopefully I used the proper terms. ;-)

Also note that some cars have positive ground instead of negative ground. I have not seen one but I believe they are seen in the UK.

 

[jenkinsph]

There is no negative in a fuse block. There is line, +, or source, the fuse, then load. This connection after the fuse may be referred to a protected or fused. Some wires may not go through a fuse block but may have fusible links. Chrysler likes to use fusible links in their charging system wiring and fusible links sometimes have some pretty big amp ratings. Negative or ground refers to the - on the battery which usually connects to metal on the engine. Only reason to bring the correct terminology up is some devices have a fused power source and also have a negative or ground wire. The lights on my tractor work that way as they are mounted in rubber grommets that insulate.

I was looking for some sites on the internet to explain with pictures but I failed. Anyhow all someone was trying to suggest is the proper term is important when troubleshooting. Hopefully I used the proper terms. ;-)

Also note that some cars have positive ground instead of negative ground. I have not seen one but I believe they are seen in the UK.

Thanks, that was my concern and point too. The standard fuse block in an 820 doesn't have negative terminals. Interestingly my boat though has positive and negative fuse blocks with buss and fuses for both positive and negative leads. When dealing with a tractor this old it may have been rewired so I was wondering about the possibilities and seeking clarification.

I also noticed that the picture was added of veto56's injector pump and there wasn't a jumper wire on the ground terminal of the solenoid. I assume the insulating washer has been removed to provide continuity between this post and the injector case.

 

[duke7595]

I'm sure you know that their are many old tractors still out in the fields working
that have positive grounds.

Some old fords did, as well as international and Massey Harris. And probably
more then I'm aware ,

That is a good point you brought up.