John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue

   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue #11  
This may have zero to do with your problem but my non cab 4720 had a similar problem last year (kept blowing the fuse to the ignition power and a wire to the seat safety switch was pinched and almost severed. I was convinced it was the seat switch and tried to remove the old one and found the pinched wire, repaired and has not blown in over a year.
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue #12  
2355 doesn't have a seat safety switch.
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue #13  
Good if the 2355 has no seat switch that eliminates the issue I had, these intermittent problems are worrysome.
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue
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#14  
I pulled the hood and everything else off that could get into the way of tracing this problem (except the cab) and found nothing obvious. Installed a new fuse and fired it up and it did not blow the fuse. So I measure the voltage going to the battery and initially it read just over 18vdc. It fell to 17vdc a few minutes after idling, so I figured I'd just run it out and do some chores with it naked. (Bet that was a sight to be seen to folks driving by on the highway) Ran it for about an hour and fuse did not blow and the battery did not heat up. I should have measured the voltage going to the battery to see if it had changed from the last 17vdc reading taken. Dang this is a pesky problem.
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue
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#15  
In doing a little research, I suspect the voltage regulator is bad. I have not seen where the alternator is to crank out 17-18 vdc. That could explain the hot battery, but could it explain the blown fuse as well?
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue
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#16  
Ok, Thought I'd give everyone an update as I am sure someone else may find this useful:
After pulling the sheet metal and following all of the wires, I did find 2 spots where a wire had been rubbed bare. Fixed these problems and the fuse still blew and when it did, it blew instantly. I was able to get a copy of the electrical diagram from our local dealer and they appeared to be wires going to the (-) terminal.

The battery did start to heat up, but had to run it for a good while before it started heating up. As stated here, the voltage regulator was bad. The alternator has a built in regulator, but it can be ordered. I ordered it from my local JD dealer only to find it was $139 ! Which threw me into sticker shock, so I opted to pay the re-stocking fee and spend $159 on a new alternator that comes with a 1 year warranty. Much better deal than spending $139 to fix an old alternator and have no warranty I thought.

The new alternator now pumped out 14 vdc and then fell into the 13's once it ran a bit.... AND .... The battery no longer heated up. However - This fuse still blew.

At this point I was ready to begin purchasing complete wire harnesses, but they are not cheap. I looked at the wiring diagram and never suspected the starting circuit as it always started right up an never had an issue. It would blow with or without the tractor running any time the key switch was on. So I pulled the whole dash apart, unhooked all the connectors from the clusters and pulled that whole rat's nest apart in there. I did find something of note... there was a relay that just had one wire going to it (+) and then a Jumper going off to some other location. This relay had no other wires hooked to it, so I suspect someone has been in here and unhooked something or it was to be used for an option this tractor does not have. The odd thing is, this relay was not bolted down and it was just hanging in there free to bounce around. (Could this be the source of this mysterious problem I wondered). But since I was this far, I continued on and found nothing else that appeared as though it could cause a problem. I continued on through the other side of the firewall and found the wire going to the starter relay (A16 on the diagram) post 86 loose. So I tightened it up. I don't think it could cause the blown fuse problem, but noted it here anyway.

Sun was shining, Dew was off the grass and it looks like no rain till Tuesday, so I buttoned everything up and headed out to put 12 acres down. Fuse held this time, so I suspect that relay that was loose inside the dash may very well be the source of this whole mess. I am certain the previous owner had been hacking into the wiring harnesses under the dash and everything inside there is a total mess. Looks like I may have my winter project to clean this up. The 2355 seems like it has the potential to be a very nice unit once everything is brought back up to factory condition. The Hi-Lo feature was nice putting down Alfalfa today and is the first time I actually had the ole girl out doing some actual work.
 
   / John Deere MFWD 2355 Cab - Blown fuse issue #17  
IMHO JD 55 series tractor are among some of the best tractor JD ever built. I owned one a 4255 since '93

One things for sure in that the engineers that designed the electrical systems and wiring on the JD Mannheim cab tractors went out of their way to make the wiring resemble a spider web.
 

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