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[mx1alex]

Guys thanks for presenting the pros/cons in an understandable manner. Is glyphosate implicated in bee decline?

Don't even get me started on that!!! Lol. But no, glyphosate is not implicated in the bee decline. Neonicatinoids are what's being targeted there as far as pesticides go. The bee decline is very complex and the pesticides are just a part of what causing the problem. Ask anybody who makes there living off of bees and they'll tell they'd rather tackle the veroamite problem and native habitat/nutrition problem before they went after neonics.

 

[bmaverick]

Name those herbicides and show me there ld50.

If I was in the office, I could get the info asap.

Tordon Pinene (Dow AgroSci.) 8,200 is one of them. I would not use the double strength for Ag planting fields though. I'm not a big fan of this one either due to the Ethylene Glycol content being 15.7%.

Matratec makes the AvengerAG Burndown. There is a variant used in Italy of this brand. AvengerAG Pricing goes from $35 to $98 per gallon depending on the premix or concentrated formulas. EPA registered (No. 82052-4)

In a town just south of my location, Ecoexempt HC and Ecoexempt IC is made and shipped in tanker trucks to California, Washington, and Wisconsin. EcoSMART Technologies, Inc. http://www.bugspray.net/labels/eco_exempt_hc_label.pdf

 

[mx1alex]

If I was in the office, I could get the info asap. Tordon Pinene (Dow AgroSci.) 8,200 is one of them. I would not use the double strength for Ag planting fields though. I'm not a big fan of this one either due to the Ethylene Glycol content being 15.7%. Matratec makes the AvengerAG Burndown. There is a variant used in Italy of this brand. AvengerAG Pricing goes from $35 to $98 per gallon depending on the premix or concentrated formulas. EPA registered (No. 82052-4) In a town just south of my location, Ecoexempt HC and Ecoexempt IC is made and shipped in tanker trucks to California, Washington, and Wisconsin. EcoSMART Technologies, Inc. http://www.bugspray.net/labels/eco_exempt_hc_label.pdf

I'm not even gonna argue with you anymore if you really suggest picloram be sprayed over millions of acres. You must not like trees.

And none of the products you listed can be sprayed on crops like glyphosate can. How do you suggest farmers get rid of weeds. Go back to the days of cultivating the soil and take back everything we've gained with no-till practices??? Not very sustainable.

 

[clemsonfor]

I'm not saying agronomically there aren't concerns with using glyphosate but health wise it's about as safe an option there is outside of a hoe. There have been tons of studies on glyphosate and information can be found all over the web. Just make sure what you're reading is from a reputable source.

Glyphosate Technical Fact Sheet

Yea the rat study they did in london kind of scares you but then it was short term which many pick it apart from that.

I really would like to read more into it. But i keep thinking there would be way more than just GMO and monsanto haters onto it if it was really THAT bad esp the agencies they would be screaming and PAYING for more long term tests.

 

[clemsonfor]

How can there be increased useage?

The label is the law, a company just cant change that label at will cause of super weeds. Has the government(EPA) recertified GLYphosate to be used at this increased level or were farmers applying at the lower end of the application rate and are now applying at the high side?

 

[bmaverick]

How can there be increased useage?

The label is the law, a company just cant change that label at will cause of super weeds. Has the government(EPA) recertified GLYphosate to be used at this increased level or were farmers applying at the lower end of the application rate and are now applying at the high side?

Since you can easily find research information, go find the California and the FDA limits that the government had raised. It made plenty of up roar in the past few years. One would have to be living under a rock not to notice it.

 

[bmaverick]

I'm not even gonna argue with you anymore if you really suggest picloram be sprayed over millions of acres. You must not like trees.

And none of the products you listed can be sprayed on crops like glyphosate can. How do you suggest farmers get rid of weeds. Go back to the days of cultivating the soil and take back everything we've gained with no-till practices??? Not very sustainable.

Why are we talking about millions of acres unless you plan on doing this with your little cut tractor and tiller??? From the start the question rested with your garden plot. That's why I kept to the small farm weed control vs. big Ag. Guess you got onto a rabbit trail going down another path.

I have no issues with trees. BUT, why would you have trees in your garden and need a tractor to navigate around them???

 

[mx1alex]

Why are we talking about millions of acres unless you plan on doing this with your little cut tractor and tiller??? From the start the question rested with your garden plot. That's why I kept to the small farm weed control vs. big Ag. Guess you got onto a rabbit trail going down another path.

I have no issues with trees. BUT, why would you have trees in your garden and need a tractor to navigate around them???

Because you are suggesting that due to human health concerns that glyphosate not be used anymore. Or are you ok with big famers using glyphosate for food production and not me using it in my food plots to attract wildlife? And my question still is if not glyphosate then what? You've yet to mention a herbicide that I can spray on my beans to get rid of broadleaf weeds.

And if you knew anything about herbicides you would know that suggesting the use of Picloram for a common burndown practice is outright dumb. That stuff moves, can kill off site trees, and limits what you can plant after application. Almost as bad as imazapyr... look it up.

 

[clemsonfor]

I am a forester and recognize the Picloram name. it is a nasty one and thats all i remember, but were worried about neighbors trees and your own trees next to a site and down stream as well.

 

[kenmac]

I don't use Glyphosate On a garden ,but I use plenty of it on my Kudzu