bruce1966us
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how many glow plugs have you gone thru? Seems like lately it is 1 for every 10 or so tractors.
Bruce
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Just ordered JM354 - thanks for the help
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SPIKER
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SOUNDGUY: I guess you read the part where I said buy extra parts but neglected to read further that stated I have not used ANY of mine except a o-ring... now I have spent about 500 in parts that I could sell if I felt like it and get 3 times as much out of them... do I REALLY NEED THEM?> not really as I can buy any and all of them from any number of dealers, such as CHIP posted. just when you already have a crate comming from china the cost for a starter there is something like 25 or 35 bucks stateside it is 100 more or something like that (PS don't quote me on prices that is an example.) I do remember the injectors were something like 3 bucks some 4 years back, states side there are ten times as much due to shipping & stocking costs. why would he or any one else already bringing in a tractor not bring in a couple bucks worth of parts??? I think I bought 10 air filters and oil filters as well as 3 sets of injectors starter alternator full engine rebuild kit a TON of bearings valves ect. stuff that I figured may WEAR OUT after 10 years, can I still get them then? probably but why not just get them now and hold onto them. cost for me at that time was something like $250 total on top of my tractor that was not much and some of the items I know I'll probably NEVER USE oh well my loss or just figure the first item I DO use then they are pretty much all paid for...
now some of the items I probably will never use such as the front drive shaft, or the rear hub bearings but the clutch (in fact I got 2 full clutch assys) and the enginer gasket sets? probably some day I will use them as I plan on keeping my tractor running a LONG time. I cant afford to spend 17K bucks for a greene tractor and let the dealer worry about stocking parts for it in 10 or 20 years... I got maybe 10K into all the stuff for my green jinma tractor including all those parts, a back hoe a mower a tiller and FEL states side and running with enough extras so I can beat the tar out of it and not worry...
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now some of the items I probably will never use such as the front drive shaft, or the rear hub bearings but the clutch (in fact I got 2 full clutch assys) and the enginer gasket sets? probably some day I will use them as I plan on keeping my tractor running a LONG time. I cant afford to spend 17K bucks for a greene tractor and let the dealer worry about stocking parts for it in 10 or 20 years... I got maybe 10K into all the stuff for my green jinma tractor including all those parts, a back hoe a mower a tiller and FEL states side and running with enough extras so I can beat the tar out of it and not worry...
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JohnS
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Mark, sounds like your parts supply might give me a run for my money! But, I'd bet I'd still win /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif FWIW, I did the same as Mark, for basicly the same reasons, and have only used one hyd pump to date. I thought the advice was sound for someone doing a self-import.
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Saving money is ........... making money. I dont care who makes it ??? .....they all break. As a general rule... parts dont go bad setting on the self. If the price is right and ya think ya might need it ?? Better get it.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Of the 100 or so tractors we have imported we have used 5 injectors, 6 or 7 starter motors and a couple alternators )</font>
The injectors and alternator numbers sound ok.. but 6-7 starters/ That's the thing that gets me.
I can understand electrical problems.. One loose wire and 'bam' alternator is gone. don't matter if it is chinese or canadian.. electronics get finicky when shorted. Injectors are finicky sometimes too. If cheap enough I'd always vote for a new injector over a repaird injector..
Starter though.. that's pretty bad... I've got 50 and 60 year old equipment on oem starters. One was on what looke dlike OEM brushes that got replaced last year.. a 1954 model.. made it 50 years... You'd think any piece of machinery made today should be able to be made at least to the tolerances and quality that things were made to 50 years ago... wouldn't you? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
China has a space program right? Do they buy parts from other countries?? or do they simply put their hats on straight and do some better assembly line work on the critial parts.?
I think that is what it boils down to... metalurgy, casting process, machining and finish, and assembly line process.
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The injectors and alternator numbers sound ok.. but 6-7 starters/ That's the thing that gets me.
I can understand electrical problems.. One loose wire and 'bam' alternator is gone. don't matter if it is chinese or canadian.. electronics get finicky when shorted. Injectors are finicky sometimes too. If cheap enough I'd always vote for a new injector over a repaird injector..
Starter though.. that's pretty bad... I've got 50 and 60 year old equipment on oem starters. One was on what looke dlike OEM brushes that got replaced last year.. a 1954 model.. made it 50 years... You'd think any piece of machinery made today should be able to be made at least to the tolerances and quality that things were made to 50 years ago... wouldn't you? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
China has a space program right? Do they buy parts from other countries?? or do they simply put their hats on straight and do some better assembly line work on the critial parts.?
I think that is what it boils down to... metalurgy, casting process, machining and finish, and assembly line process.
Soundguy
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( now I have spent about 500 in parts that I could sell if I felt like it )</font>
Importing spare parts to have on hand down the road, is different than importing parts that you really believe you will need immediatly. And both are different than importing them to simply sell off.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( except a o-ring )</font>
I don't count orings.. ALL oring EVERYWHERE are high maint items. no matter who makes your tractor..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I do remember the injectors were something like 3 bucks some 4 years back )</font>
Hey.. don't get me wrong.. at that price.. I'd buy a couple sets too.. and swap them when I had one needing rebuilt..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ull engine rebuild kit a TON of bearings valves ect. stuff that I figured may WEAR OUT after 10 years, )</font>
10ys? You really think it will be ready for a full overhaul in only ten years? No offense here.. but at 100hrs a year ( 1 oil change interval on most domestic tractors ) that's 10 years to get 1000 hours.. and well... 1000 hrs on a well maintained diesel is just getting into 'low' wear. Id really 'want' to expect 15+ years or high hours.. like 2500-4000 before i'd have to start thinking about anything other than maybee a head gasket.. etc. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif are those really unrealistic numbers? they don't seem to be. Since I've been working at my day job at a GC, ( 12+ years) can count on 1 hand how many engine rebuilds we've done on our heavy equipment .. and that stuff drives around in the dust and dirt all day... and has construction workers driving it like it is rented equipment /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( so I can beat the tar out of it and not worry...
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Not bad thinking I guess.. but I would hope that most of the parts are for 'eventualities' and that you really don't have to put on a starter every couple / three years.. Come on guys.. that seems a tad excessive /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Are there starters really that junky? Is there any other 'upgrade' starter that fits? perhaps one that you don't have to buy 3 of to make it 10 years?
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Importing spare parts to have on hand down the road, is different than importing parts that you really believe you will need immediatly. And both are different than importing them to simply sell off.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( except a o-ring )</font>
I don't count orings.. ALL oring EVERYWHERE are high maint items. no matter who makes your tractor..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I do remember the injectors were something like 3 bucks some 4 years back )</font>
Hey.. don't get me wrong.. at that price.. I'd buy a couple sets too.. and swap them when I had one needing rebuilt..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ull engine rebuild kit a TON of bearings valves ect. stuff that I figured may WEAR OUT after 10 years, )</font>
10ys? You really think it will be ready for a full overhaul in only ten years? No offense here.. but at 100hrs a year ( 1 oil change interval on most domestic tractors ) that's 10 years to get 1000 hours.. and well... 1000 hrs on a well maintained diesel is just getting into 'low' wear. Id really 'want' to expect 15+ years or high hours.. like 2500-4000 before i'd have to start thinking about anything other than maybee a head gasket.. etc. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif are those really unrealistic numbers? they don't seem to be. Since I've been working at my day job at a GC, ( 12+ years) can count on 1 hand how many engine rebuilds we've done on our heavy equipment .. and that stuff drives around in the dust and dirt all day... and has construction workers driving it like it is rented equipment /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( so I can beat the tar out of it and not worry...
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Not bad thinking I guess.. but I would hope that most of the parts are for 'eventualities' and that you really don't have to put on a starter every couple / three years.. Come on guys.. that seems a tad excessive /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Are there starters really that junky? Is there any other 'upgrade' starter that fits? perhaps one that you don't have to buy 3 of to make it 10 years?
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<font color="blue"> I would hope that most of the parts are for 'eventualities' and that you really don't have to put on a starter every couple / three years.. Come on guys.. that seems a tad excessive Are there starters really that junky? </font>
Hey SoundGuy,
On my 1st Chinese Tractor, purchased new in 1990, I had to replace the starter within the 1st month. It was a good strong 4wd Shinniu Tractor/254/2cylinder though.
On my 2004 Jinma 224, I haven't had any troube with the starter at all so far, with 130 hours. It's really to soon to know, for me about the starter durability, but so far so good.
IMHO, the quality and durability of the Chinese Tractors are getting much better, as the time and years continue to roll by. So far on mine, just the wrong size fuse, in the glow plug circuit, and the Clutch Safety/Starter Lockout Switch. Both I would consider very minor. But at 130 hours, it is just too early to tell about durability. Although, I am beginning to hear from several, with over 400 hours now, and still going good.
I can say though, that with this new generation of Jinma's, so far, I have a good feeling about them. But that can change at any time, especially if mine breaks in half. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Get your Tractors Runnng &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Hey SoundGuy,
On my 1st Chinese Tractor, purchased new in 1990, I had to replace the starter within the 1st month. It was a good strong 4wd Shinniu Tractor/254/2cylinder though.
On my 2004 Jinma 224, I haven't had any troube with the starter at all so far, with 130 hours. It's really to soon to know, for me about the starter durability, but so far so good.
IMHO, the quality and durability of the Chinese Tractors are getting much better, as the time and years continue to roll by. So far on mine, just the wrong size fuse, in the glow plug circuit, and the Clutch Safety/Starter Lockout Switch. Both I would consider very minor. But at 130 hours, it is just too early to tell about durability. Although, I am beginning to hear from several, with over 400 hours now, and still going good.
I can say though, that with this new generation of Jinma's, so far, I have a good feeling about them. But that can change at any time, especially if mine breaks in half. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Get your Tractors Runnng &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
JohnS
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( have to put on a starter every couple / three years.. Come on guys.. that seems a tad excessive Are there starters really that junky? Is there any other 'upgrade' starter that fits? perhaps one that you don't have to buy 3 of to make it 10 years?
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Soundguy, I wouldn't get too concened about the data Chip reported. It most likely includes the well talked about "cold starter" issue. This was a run of bad starters, mostly within the last year. As far as I know, new Jinmas are not an issue with that, anymore.
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Soundguy, I wouldn't get too concened about the data Chip reported. It most likely includes the well talked about "cold starter" issue. This was a run of bad starters, mostly within the last year. As far as I know, new Jinmas are not an issue with that, anymore.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( ull engine rebuild kit a TON of bearings valves ect. stuff that I figured may WEAR OUT after 10 years, )
10ys? You really think it will be ready for a full overhaul in only ten years? No offense here.. but at 100hrs a year ( 1 oil change interval on most domestic tractors ) that's 10 years to get 1000 hours.. and well... 1000 hrs on a well maintained diesel is just getting into 'low' wear. Id really 'want' to expect 15+ years or high hours.. like 2500-4000 before i'd have to start thinking about anything other than maybee a head gasket.. etc. are those really unrealistic numbers?
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I think we are reading a little too much into the words. Mark indicated MAY and AFTER 10 Years, and you turned it into 10 YEARS exactly, under specific conditions. Bottom line is he bought the parts because he planned to keep the tractor for a long time.
10ys? You really think it will be ready for a full overhaul in only ten years? No offense here.. but at 100hrs a year ( 1 oil change interval on most domestic tractors ) that's 10 years to get 1000 hours.. and well... 1000 hrs on a well maintained diesel is just getting into 'low' wear. Id really 'want' to expect 15+ years or high hours.. like 2500-4000 before i'd have to start thinking about anything other than maybee a head gasket.. etc. are those really unrealistic numbers?
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I think we are reading a little too much into the words. Mark indicated MAY and AFTER 10 Years, and you turned it into 10 YEARS exactly, under specific conditions. Bottom line is he bought the parts because he planned to keep the tractor for a long time.
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<font color="blue">China has a space program right? Do they buy parts from other countries?? </font>
Hey SoundGuy,
It's my undestanding that the Chinese do have a Space Program, However, they are awaiting the new Test Results from America's Space Scientists/Engineers, to see if the Switch from Using Crazy Glue to Liquid Nails, That is supposed to hold on the Heat Resistant Tiles on our SpaceCraft will actually work, to protect our Astronauts and Spacecraft, from burning up upon reentry.
Please keep your Fingers Crossed.
SoundGuy, it is normal to have some jitters, before putting down your money's on a new Tractor.
Get your Tractors Running&
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Hey SoundGuy,
It's my undestanding that the Chinese do have a Space Program, However, they are awaiting the new Test Results from America's Space Scientists/Engineers, to see if the Switch from Using Crazy Glue to Liquid Nails, That is supposed to hold on the Heat Resistant Tiles on our SpaceCraft will actually work, to protect our Astronauts and Spacecraft, from burning up upon reentry.
Please keep your Fingers Crossed.
SoundGuy, it is normal to have some jitters, before putting down your money's on a new Tractor.
Get your Tractors Running&
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
