Just used up the last of my old High sulfur Fuel

[UncleBuck01]

Not only that, it is illegal to use an diesel fuel additive containing over 15ppm sulfur to begin with

raise the sulfur levels in ULSD

the financial penalties are very very severe.

TractorErnie
If I was you, I'd get a armchair lawyer OR escape/flee to mexico, sounds like someone wants to "drop a dime"(today its a quarter)on you and those enviro police will have bamboo handcuffs on you soon . Do enviro police give you miranda rights Besides, at least you can use high sulfur fuel "down in mexico"
Beam me up, Scotty

 

[MadReferee]

If anyone is interested in the ULSD fuels lubricity, the shop foreman where I deal said you could use a little oil in the fuel. However, talking to my local fuel supplier, he said that has been taken into account. SO, there should be no worries over the pump lubrication. That would be my greatest worry since diesel injection pumps are expensive to repair or replace.

As I have pointed out in many, many posts here, the EPA has said and required that all ULSD that leaves the bulk distribution facility must meed or exceed the current standart for lubricity that has been in effect since January 2005. Assuming this is being followed, and if it's not then someone is going to be paying a whopping fine, everybody should have nothing to worry about.

It's obvious that many, many people are reacting to rumor and old wives tales, none of which are ture. If only everyone would do a little homework and really find out what is happening. I guess I am dreaming here.

 

[SkyPup]

TractorErnie
If I was you, I'd get a armchair lawyer OR escape/flee to mexico, sounds like someone wants to "drop a dime"(today its a quarter)on you and those enviro police will have bamboo handcuffs on you soon . Do enviro police give you miranda rights Besides, at least you can use high sulfur fuel "down in mexico"
Beam me up, Scotty

Yeah, even better than Mexico is to escape to Africa to get your high sulfur fix!

 

[dmccarty]

TractorErnie
If I was you, I'd get a armchair lawyer OR escape/flee to mexico, sounds like someone wants to "drop a dime"(today its a quarter)on you and those enviro police will have bamboo handcuffs on you soon . Do enviro police give you miranda rights Besides, at least you can use high sulfur fuel "down in mexico"
Beam me up, Scotty

Ernie, Ernie, Ernie,

Everyone knows the Gringos are not allowed to go to Mexico. The border is one way, open going North, closed going South.

Later,
Dan

 

[jeffinsgf]

Yeah, Buck, to heck with all that advancement stuff. Sure wish I could get ahold of one of those old lead burning V8's and some of that great lead filled gasoline. I really miss tune ups every 10,000 miles and engines that rarely made it to 100,000 miles. I hate these darn cars and trucks that only need an oil change every 5000 miles, plugs every 50,000 or so, have great horsepower yet get mileage in the high 20's and run for a quarter of a million miles routinely.

 

[TrippleT]

No, don't think so. You mean like Roosa master pumps? I think it is more of an inline type pump similar to Bosch. I have never seen a view of it from the internal side.

 

[HGM]

Yeah, Buck, to heck with all that advancement stuff. Sure wish I could get ahold of one of those old lead burning V8's and some of that great lead filled gasoline. I really miss tune ups every 10,000 miles and engines that rarely made it to 100,000 miles. I hate these darn cars and trucks that only need an oil change every 5000 miles, plugs every 50,000 or so, have great horsepower yet get mileage in the high 20's and run for a quarter of a million miles routinely.

Yea, me too....

Hey guys, one thing to rememeber if you just have the need to add trash to your fuel..... The '07 emissioned trucks have particulate filters. Those filters will be suceptable to clogging.. The high sulfer will cause more soot.. This will in turn cause more clogging of this filter.. The system must then go into regeneration more more often.. This will undoubtedly effect fuel economy and even worse, the life of this filter.. As of right now, if the driver uses the correct fuel and oil and operates the diesel as it is intended, he should get in the 120kmi range before needing major filter service or replacement.. If he uses contaminated fuel, wrong oil, excessive idle times, etc..He can expect early failures of this important emissions component..

Bottom line, I guess you can do what you want, but if you buy a new diesel truck with a build date after 1/07, you would do best to use ULSD and low ash oil, just as the MFG recomends.. As a matter of fact, if you do what the engineers who designed your vehicle recomend(regardless of what it is), you would probably have much less trouble in general.. Monday morning, armchair engineers can easily cause more trouble than the are willing to admit.. Because everyone knows, the MFG's are idiots and Bubba knows much more about his diesel than they do... I'm not poking at anyone here, I just see it every day...

 

[SkyPup]

No, don't think so. You mean like Roosa master pumps? I think it is more of an inline type pump similar to Bosch. I have never seen a view of it from the internal side.

Yeah, like the Roosa type rotary pumps....

http://files.asme.org/asmeorg/Communities/History/Landmarks/10001.pdf

The diesel fuel injection pumps that are most sensitive to the perceived lubricity problems are the rotary distributor pumps that Bosch, Denso, Lucas, Stanadyne, Roosa, etc make. Although they make up just a small percentage of the pumps utilized in diesel fuel injection systems, they are much more prone to failure due to water contamination, algae and bacteria contamination, and low lubricity fuels like kerosene......

If you don't have one though, you don't have to worry much about it. The major problem that the other inline type pumps had back in 1993 when the sulfur levels were lowered from 6,000ppm+ down to 500ppm was due to the large increase in aromatic hydrocarbon content that caused the seals to shrink and swell, that no longer is a problem due to manufacturing changes in the pump seal material to synthetic rubber compounds that are resistant to degradation by aromatic solvent content of diesel fuel.

Besides all that, ULSD now has much lower aromatic fraction, so that problem of seals leaking in any kind of pump made prior to 1993 or after 1993 is not even on the table.....

 

[TrippleT]

Thanks Skypup, good info, and good info in the link there. I downloaded the info to study. It looks like we are in for one whale of a storm in this neck of the woods, so we may be out of power for days here. I will need to get some gas for the generator set.

 

[RalphVa]

Mercedes has had direct injection GASOLINE engines in operation since about the late 50s. Most injectors likely don't have any parts in direct contact with each other such that lubrication by the fuel is needed. Diesel fuel is pretty oily anyway. Don't need sulfur for lubricity. BIG falsehood.

We thought for a while that some sulfur compounds in lubricating oil (this is by those of us who worked in the industry) until hydrocracked and then fully synthetic oils came out with NO sulfur. They preformed better in long term engine teardown tests than ANY oil with sulfur in it.

ULSD and biodiesel are the fuels of the future and are here now.

Ralph