Justifying a cost of a diesel

   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #21  
Quote "Not trying to save $200 a week, but if I can get double the milage or more per tank is like too. Plus I'm towing 6000-10,500 every week" That is a lot of miles for a regular pickup. That could be over 500,000 miles a year. You would be buying a new truck every year as most gas engines don't last more than a million miles without a major rebuild. I see lots of gas vehicles running fine with 300,000 in the south but not many with 600,000 miles. If you meant to say 600-1000 miles a week that is another story as I do over 30,000 miles a year in my VW TDI. The extra maintenance I do is a timing belt every 100,000 miles but every VW of that vintage gets a timing belt so that is a wash. New injectors every 200,000 miles if I am fussy. That might not be a wash as I do not know how long gas injectors last.

Someone in another group mentioned buying a Nissan Leaf to thumb his nose at the oil companies. Based on the amount of driving he did, the price of fuel, the price of insurance, the price of electricity, over a 5 year span I figured he would spend a $100 a month to say "Screw you oil companies." In other words my math said it would be cheaper to keep driving his gas hog Honda. Seems silly that a Honda gets less than 20 mpg.

Formula could be simple: gas fuel consumed in dollars minus diesel fuel consumed in dollars times years you want to keep "new to you" truck divided by premium you paid to get the "new to you" truck.
G$-D$x60 (5years)/$5000. A really new diesel truck premium is more like $7800 for the Cummins engine and $500 or 2650 for an automatic. Used trucks have depreciated some of that premium. My 2004 2500 Cummins was half the price of its new sticker price with 100,000 miles on it.
Basic assumption is a diesel gets 40% better mileage. Your mileage may vary. Not necessarily the formula I used.
8,000 miles a week at 8 mpg = 1,000 gallons at $3.79 gallon mid grade gas.
8,000 miles a week at 12 mpg = 667 gallons of diesel at $3.79. Diesel is the same price as mid grade. My little Toyota would not tow quietly with mid grade, it needed premium.
$3790 gas - $2527 diesel is $1279 a week in fuel savings. I would have assumed that someone who drove that many miles a week would not be driving a gas powered vehicle. Now if it was 800 miles a week then you only save $130 a week or $7800 over 5 years plus if the truck did not rust our you still have residual value premium when you sell the 5 year old diesel truck. The torque of a diesel is nice for towing and might be quieter than listening to a gas engine at 3000 rpms towing.
 
   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #22  
We have an 05 ford powerstroke, over 20 mpg. Only GM I ever ran was a 1996 6.5, that couldn't compare with the ford for power or fuel efficiency. The new ones don't even come close to that so I would say older or keep the gas. The 2012 fords at work are getting 13+-. No advantage on gas when you figure the cost difference there.
 
   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #23  
Thinking the OP was talking lbs, not miles.

O/P, True ?

Rgds, D.
 
   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #28  
I still have my old 12 valve Cummins for a reason. Every time I get a newer model I lose fuel economy and the new trucks are higher maintenance. The 24 valve gets 14 mpg when my old 12 valve RV pulling. The 9 mpg sucked though! I heavily lean towards a 305/555 vintage Dodge with the 6 speed, 4x4, 4.10 LS dually. Love our 2003.

Got to agree that an 03 HO 6 speed Cummins 3500 in either 2 or 4 wheel drive SRW or DRW could significantly improve the OPs towing mileage.
my 03 3,73 geared truck gets about 13mpg towing a 10k loaded utility trailer and the last all hiway non towing tank came out at 22.55mpg hand calculated ( bone stock truck) Your mileage May Vary Also know of a 04.5 that just got 24 highway (this one may have a tune - but driven like a grandma )
 
   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #29  
Well if you ignore the misread of pounds versus miles driven then my post was just an oops by me. The only way to to evaluate is knowing miles driven per year, delta fuel savings and delta vehicle expense. Then you throw in the famous scientific fudge factor of I want.

My best mileage with my 2004 2500 Cummins, automatic, 3.73 gears, 2wd long bed was 23.4 with the cruise set at 60 driving from Covington to Savannah and back mostly on Highway 16. Translated that means a pretty dead flat road where my house is at about 750 feet and my destination a wee bit west of Savannah is probably 50 feet. Just a wee bit of rolling terrain (less than 100 miles of 426 mile trip). Worst tank was a bit less than 12 mpg. I don't tow much with it. It is mostly a farm truck to get hay, shavings and feed. Wife goes to town to the post office in it. I see a fair bit of 18 and 19 mpgs on my truck spreadsheet.
 
   / Justifying a cost of a diesel #30  
If you are towing regularly, the cost will be in your favor with a diesel. My dad had an '11 F250 (he sold it because he sold his fifth wheel) and he would routinely get 12 MPG (hand calc'd) towing his fifth wheel. I have an '08 F250, and towing nearly identical fifth wheels along the same trips, I regularly get 10 MPG hand-calc'd.

So, I would maybe use a figure of 11 MPG if you go new, and run your calcs on that. Remember, diesel is higher in the winter than summer, so take that into account.
 

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