Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue

   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #1  

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We bought a used 2009 4010 Trans last year. It had about 170 hours on it and was in great shape. My wife and kids use it on our place and to drive back and forth to her Mom's. I use it to haul stuff to the garden, haul the trash can out to the road and check the mail. It has been a great UTV!!!

We just had our first problem. The Mule is now having trouble idling and it will sometimes quit running. It surges at idle and seems to be running rough. I can't figure out what it is. A new fuel pump is very expensive ~$500. Injectors are $100 each as well.

I checked the gas tank vent lines (OK). I checked the air filters and intakes (OK). I replaced both spark plugs and checked that they were getting fire (OK). It sounds like the engine is either smothered (no air) or starved of fuel. I can't find any type of valve to check fuel pressure and I don't want to just starting replacing parts.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to diagnose fuel issues? Any similar experiences? I never realized how much we use the Mule until it has been down for a few days. My wife is about to drive me nuts to fix it.

I thought about detaching the fuel line as it exits the tank and where it enters the fuel rail. I could then blow it out with an air compressor. I couldn't find an in-line fuel filter, so I assume that it is in the tank. I would certainly appreciate any thoughts before I break down and haul it to a repair shop.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #2  
I have a 3010 Trans. Had a similar issue a few years ago. A couple of suggestions:

Sudden onset of this issue might be a fuel quality problem.

Drain the fuel and use non ethanol with some SeaFoam to boot.
Check your fuel tank fill cap (vent), fuel filter (clogging), fuel line in the tank (crimping).

Can you hear the fuel pump turning on and off and running?

You can find the manual for your unit at Kawasaki.com. Just drill down using your year and model.

You can find more reasonable replacements for parts via Amazon or eBay. Just check the seller feedback. I found a replacement for my fuel pump on Amazon for a lot cheaper than Amazon.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue
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#3  
Licklog - Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about the problem late last night and I thought it was probably bad gas. I got up this morning and tested the fuel pump. I also pulled the fuel line where it enters the fuel rail. There was plenty of gas flow from the pump to the injectors. I toggled the switch and caught some of the fuel being pumped. It did not smell like good clean gas.

I kept the fuel line pulled and pumped out about a pint of this fuel by toggling the switch to engage the fuel pump. I then added some water remover to the fuel tank. It was now about 1/2 full, so I added a couple of gallons of ethanol-free 93 octane. I toggled the switch a few more times to pump out more fuel and then reconnected the line at the rail.

The engine idled rough for about 30 seconds and then it smoothed out. We have been driving it all day and it runs like a new one. It was definitely some water caught in the fuel. Water is heavier and it was obviously caught around the intake of the fuel pump. My wife is happy ... so life is good.

It is hard to believe how much we rely on that Mule. We have 3 kids and we haul a lot of stuff around our place. The 4010 Trans is perfect for what we want it to do .... carry the family and haul stuff around our 14 acres. I am glad it was such an easy fix. I spent a total of $11 to fix it - $8 for plugs (unnecessary), plus $3 for the water remover. I guess I should count the 2 gallons of ethanol-free fuel as well.

I think I am going to use the higher octane in the future, because our local store has an ethanol-free version. It might add $2 to the cost of a tank of fuel, but it is worth it.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #4  
Put Red Stabil in the non ethanol fuel and it will help with water and keep it fresh.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #5  
No ethanol 93 is like crystal meth for small engines. Now that I found a place to buy it I use it exclusive for the saws, blowers, atv's etc
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #6  
I have the same problem. The factory has no clue whats causing this or refuses to say.

The dealer changed the fuel pump. then tthe throtte body. It ran a week and started surging again so they replaced the throtte body again.

After 3 months its doing it again. Dealer said to stabilizerizer so I have been but it did didn't help.

Dealer talked to the factory and they dont know whats causing it they say to rethecthrottlerottel body.

I wish I had not bought the gas version. I think is the computer is causing the surging and stalling the computer gets confused and surges the engine trying to adjust the fuel flow.


Someone needs to start a class action suit against the factory because it looks to be a defect.

I think if I could find a carberator to replace the fuel injection system it would fix it.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #7  
I have a 2011 Transmule and had a similar problem. My dealer said that it was carbon build up on something to do with smog. Sorry, I forget the exact name of it, but they said it's a very common problem. it's also very easy to fix, but very time consuming to get to it.

You either need to find another dealer or tell the one you are going to about the smog issue. It's VERY COMMON.

Eddie
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #8  
Hi I also have a 2009 Mule 4010 and had fuel problems, too. Dealer said fuel pump would cost $700 plus labor. I googled up Kawaski and found they were having problems with fuel pumps that year. I called Kawaski directly, spoke to customer service, had me return it to the dealer for diagnosis, and if indeed it was the fuel pump, kawaski would replace it, which they did at no cost. Well worth pursuing I will look up Kawaski contact information if you need it.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #10  
Last effort before taking it to the dealer: Removed throttle body (PITA), throttle body appeared brand-new inside maybe due to the throttle body cleaning step in #5 above. What I did different was open the electronic servo controlled throttle blade using my finger: full open and full close back and forth - sprayed shaft bearing area with WD40. While fully closed, and with all electrical connections hooked up: have assistant turn key to "on" position and watch the throttle blade - you should see it open slightly. If so - good to go. Put it all back together and start it up. SUCCESS (for me)

I am sure this is my problem can someone take pictures of their mule that shows me were to start so I can get my mule running again?
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #11  
Any long term update on this one? I've been considering the mule (used or possibly new) and also Kubota.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #12  
I have a 2016 Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans. that just started exhibiting the same symptoms as above a couple of months ago. Have only had time to change the spark plugs and make sure I'm running new/clean fuel, with no effect. Will have to bring it to the dealer next (since I do have an extended warranty). Was hoping this was a problem for the earlier model Mules, but apparently not. Otherwise I love it.
 
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   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #13  
throttle body position sensor x 2- get the dealer to replace them under the recall
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #14  
All i or the previous owner have done with my 2012 model is use non ethanol fuel. Ive had no issues. Knock on wood
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #15  
Thanks for the more recent updates!
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #16  
Kawasaki does know of the "fix" for it, but it's multi-faceted. One must follow the steps.

1: try starting the engine without touching the throttle pedal. If you start it like an old carburetor, it ain't gonna idle (and kawasaki don't believe me on that...but it's absolutely true)
2: check the engine oil. If over the full mark, it's got hydrocarbon vapors in it and it WILL affect idle quality. Change it.
3:check engine compression. Should be up around 200 psi or more. If low, check valve clearance and adjust as necessary (.010"). Tight intake valves are common, and it causes pulsing in the intake manifold, which confuses the intake air pressure sensor's reading to the ECU.
4: check air filter, especially if the oil level was high. Replace it if it's oil soaked and/or dirty. It too affects idle quality.
5: clean the throttle body. Put a hammer between the gas pedal and the frame above it so that the throttle is "bricked" wide open. Remove the air intake hose from the throttle body. Grab your carb cleaner or throttle body cleaner (with straw). Start engine. It will be running about 4000 RPM which is fine (it's governed). Spray the carb/TB cleaner into the TB until the engine falls on it's face, let it catch back up, repeat this process until you run the entire can of TB/carb cleaner through the TB.

Usually that fixes them BUT every once in a while it doesn't. There is another workaround too but I won't go into it because it requires access to Kawasaki proprietary software, a laptop, and proprietary cabling and adapters-only available from Kawasaki to my knowledge. Real similar to Kubota but different, and not as functional.

93 octane fuel burns real dirty. I know, the makers want you to think that it "cleans" things, but in the combustion chamber it does just the opposite...it loads things up with carbon including the intake valves, valve seats, valve faces, exhaust valves, piston crowns/domes/dishes, etc. 87 octane is perfectly fine for a low compression Mule engine and it is generally recommended. Also the fuel filter should be replaced periodically, it's easy to do, and not very expensive but it requires removal and disassembly of the fuel pump module.

The root issue is application. The 620 engine was originally designed as a generator/mower engine. On that type equipment, it ran at 3500-3700 RPM all day long under a heavy load, which generated a good bit of heat in the cooling and lubrication system. Well on the Mule, the engine IDLES most of the time and has little if any load against it. Total opposite. Big deal right? Wellllll.....if the engine OIL can't get up to 200 degrees+, any combustion byproducts can't evaporate. Engine oil level rises, gets a bunch of fuel vapors in it, and then because of the closed crankcase vent system (sorta a PCV) the engine is now ingesting it's own oil and fuel vapors that have built up in the crankcase, which carbons up the valves and pistons even more, wears the valve faces/seats off, the clearance closes up, pretty soon the engine compression is down, so is power, it won't idle, the throttle body gets gummed up, the intake pressure sensor senses pulsing, and it just overall runs like poo. Additionally, a stuck thermostat will also throw a wrench into the spokes in that they stick OPEN, and the engine won't get hot. Easy to spot using the diag software and a laptop but only dealers have it (to my knowledge), it'll get up to about 130 degrees in the hottest part of the summer and level off. An engine with a good thermostat will get up to 215 or so then drop back to about 180 and repeat over and over again--assuming the fan works as designed and the radiator isn't plugged up with cow/horse/goat poo and/or mud, dirt, hay, grass, chaff, fleas, ticks, dirt dobber nests, carpet, or whatever else. I think I remember one that had a bunch of cat hair across it too, their barn cats slept up on the winch area and the hair that was shed got sucked up by the fan, got wet during operation outside, and turned into a nasty mush that restricted air across the radiator core.

What recall was on the TPS's? I don't remember any but I don't have time to watch every single bulletin that comes out either.
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #17  
Kawasaki does know of the "fix" for it, but it's multi-faceted. One must follow the steps.

1: try starting the engine without touching the throttle pedal. If you start it like an old carburetor, it ain't gonna idle (and kawasaki don't believe me on that...but it's absolutely true)
2: check the engine oil. If over the full mark, it's got hydrocarbon vapors in it and it WILL affect idle quality. Change it.
3:check engine compression. Should be up around 200 psi or more. If low, check valve clearance and adjust as necessary (.010"). Tight intake valves are common, and it causes pulsing in the intake manifold, which confuses the intake air pressure sensor's reading to the ECU.
4: check air filter, especially if the oil level was high. Replace it if it's oil soaked and/or dirty. It too affects idle quality.
5: clean the throttle body. Put a hammer between the gas pedal and the frame above it so that the throttle is "bricked" wide open. Remove the air intake hose from the throttle body. Grab your carb cleaner or throttle body cleaner (with straw). Start engine. It will be running about 4000 RPM which is fine (it's governed). Spray the carb/TB cleaner into the TB until the engine falls on it's face, let it catch back up, repeat this process until you run the entire can of TB/carb cleaner through the TB.

Usually that fixes them BUT every once in a while it doesn't. There is another workaround too but I won't go into it because it requires access to Kawasaki proprietary software, a laptop, and proprietary cabling and adapters-only available from Kawasaki to my knowledge. Real similar to Kubota but different, and not as functional.

93 octane fuel burns real dirty. I know, the makers want you to think that it "cleans" things, but in the combustion chamber it does just the opposite...it loads things up with carbon including the intake valves, valve seats, valve faces, exhaust valves, piston crowns/domes/dishes, etc. 87 octane is perfectly fine for a low compression Mule engine and it is generally recommended. Also the fuel filter should be replaced periodically, it's easy to do, and not very expensive but it requires removal and disassembly of the fuel pump module.

The root issue is application. The 620 engine was originally designed as a generator/mower engine. On that type equipment, it ran at 3500-3700 RPM all day long under a heavy load, which generated a good bit of heat in the cooling and lubrication system. Well on the Mule, the engine IDLES most of the time and has little if any load against it. Total opposite. Big deal right? Wellllll.....if the engine OIL can't get up to 200 degrees+, any combustion byproducts can't evaporate. Engine oil level rises, gets a bunch of fuel vapors in it, and then because of the closed crankcase vent system (sorta a PCV) the engine is now ingesting it's own oil and fuel vapors that have built up in the crankcase, which carbons up the valves and pistons even more, wears the valve faces/seats off, the clearance closes up, pretty soon the engine compression is down, so is power, it won't idle, the throttle body gets gummed up, the intake pressure sensor senses pulsing, and it just overall runs like poo. Additionally, a stuck thermostat will also throw a wrench into the spokes in that they stick OPEN, and the engine won't get hot. Easy to spot using the diag software and a laptop but only dealers have it (to my knowledge), it'll get up to about 130 degrees in the hottest part of the summer and level off. An engine with a good thermostat will get up to 215 or so then drop back to about 180 and repeat over and over again--assuming the fan works as designed and the radiator isn't plugged up with cow/horse/goat poo and/or mud, dirt, hay, grass, chaff, fleas, ticks, dirt dobber nests, carpet, or whatever else. I think I remember one that had a bunch of cat hair across it too, their barn cats slept up on the winch area and the hair that was shed got sucked up by the fan, got wet during operation outside, and turned into a nasty mush that restricted air across the radiator core.

What recall was on the TPS's? I don't remember any but I don't have time to watch every single bulletin that comes out either.
I am habing a huge issue with my 4010 trans 4x4 that seems eeirely similar to what you are talking about.... i posted this in the "KAWI WIDERS" page but i am not getting any traction, do you have any input on what i have going on?


I just bought this 4010 Mule off Facebook, seller said he bought it off a farmer and drug it out of the shed, put a new battery in it, washed it, and posted it. Original statement was that it was not getting enough fuel pressure, It starts, runs ( but slow, as if it was starving for fuel) and goes into forward and reverse, I figured why not! lol..

STEP # 1 -I bought the service manual, read it, determined that if I dont have atleast 40PSI of pressure on the rail i will be running into issues.... so pump it was....

My DFI Indicator light will illuminate at the beginning of ignition turn on, then after 3 seconds it will turn off ( as expected) I have yet to have any light flash from that indicator light.

Fast forward 1 week, I got a fuel pump repair kit off ebay ( replacement pump and filter) to rebuild my pump, I cleaned off the top of the tank ( with a power washer, and i was very careful not to go crazy spraying by the electronics under the drivers side of the front seat), replaced the pump parts ( that was fairly easy) put it all back together, and go to start it, I have great pressure at the fuel rail now! awesome! the old filter was horrible!.... all my problems are solved... NOT

Mule turns over BUT will not idle... it starts, runs for 3-5 seconds, then turns off, almost like the ECM is forcing it to turn off?

If i spray choke cleaner into the air induction tube, it will run off that until the fuel source ( choke cleaner) runs out.. which tells me that I am either not getting fuel through my injectors OR my injectors are flooding out and stuck open?

I mess around with it, I made sure that my lines were clean from the pump to the rail, everything seems to be in check, in my head there should be no reason that it doesnt start and atleast idle... but run better than it was 30 minutes before this?!?!?

Had some family stuff so I had to put this off for a couple days....I redid the carb cleaner test to confirm my plugs/wires/ and crank sensor were all still functioning, I opened the throttle and sprayed choke cleaner in, now it wont even run off of that? it acts like it is backfiring?

SO, now I am very confused... I am going through pages... I still have not indicator light showing codes on the DFI, same solid for 3 seconds at start, and immediately off, so I skip pages 3-36 through 3-39 about the self diagnostics port/ reading codes... (maybe this will bite me in the ass later.... but if its not flashing the ECM doesnt see a problem? right?

I continued on trying to "find a broken wire" It has to be some connection somewhere, a plug, a pin, or broken wire, there is no way it just broke sitting there doing nothing.... I DROVE it into my garage....

Pages 3-40 through pages 3-54 go through testing, replacing, and tracing the wires back to the ECM on the Main TPS, Sub TPS and Sub throttle Valve Actuator, I step by step go through the inspections checklist, testing each wire,I have continuity at each wire back to the ECM for both TPS's. My main TPS passes ALL the tests, my sub TPS passes resitance, and has 4.9V on the incoming wire (blue/red) HOWEVER the ground wire (brown/black) is not receiving anything from the ECM? I double checked that wires continuity to the ecm main harness, and i have a solid connection ( no broken wire) I then went through the checklist of how to test for quality ground and power TO the ECM, that passed with flying colors, everything i am reading is telling me to replace the ECM becasue it is suppose to supply me with ground but is not providing it... I tested this theory by grounding the wire to my chassis, thinking that if my TPS sensor was not being grounded, it could not return an accurate value to the ECM, and if the ECM thinks that the TPS is not working, then it will not let my Mule start.... It was a good idea... but did not work.... I was really pulling at straws there....


I am sitting at the threshold of paying $700 for a new ECU, and before doing so, I am praying that someone can chime in and let me know some tricks to test... It is not my main unit, so i can hold off for a bit getting it working... but at the same time it is in my garage taking up space.



Here is the link to the forum, i also included the entire 2010 service manual on that page if anyone is looking for it


 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #19  
Kawasaki does know of the "fix" for it, but it's multi-faceted. One must follow the steps.

1: try starting the engine without touching the throttle pedal. If you start it like an old carburetor, it ain't gonna idle (and kawasaki don't believe me on that...but it's absolutely true)
2: check the engine oil. If over the full mark, it's got hydrocarbon vapors in it and it WILL affect idle quality. Change it.
3:check engine compression. Should be up around 200 psi or more. If low, check valve clearance and adjust as necessary (.010"). Tight intake valves are common, and it causes pulsing in the intake manifold, which confuses the intake air pressure sensor's reading to the ECU.
4: check air filter, especially if the oil level was high. Replace it if it's oil soaked and/or dirty. It too affects idle quality.
5: clean the throttle body. Put a hammer between the gas pedal and the frame above it so that the throttle is "bricked" wide open. Remove the air intake hose from the throttle body. Grab your carb cleaner or throttle body cleaner (with straw). Start engine. It will be running about 4000 RPM which is fine (it's governed). Spray the carb/TB cleaner into the TB until the engine falls on it's face, let it catch back up, repeat this process until you run the entire can of TB/carb cleaner through the TB.

Usually that fixes them BUT every once in a while it doesn't. There is another workaround too but I won't go into it because it requires access to Kawasaki proprietary software, a laptop, and proprietary cabling and adapters-only available from Kawasaki to my knowledge. Real similar to Kubota but different, and not as functional.

93 octane fuel burns real dirty. I know, the makers want you to think that it "cleans" things, but in the combustion chamber it does just the opposite...it loads things up with carbon including the intake valves, valve seats, valve faces, exhaust valves, piston crowns/domes/dishes, etc. 87 octane is perfectly fine for a low compression Mule engine and it is generally recommended. Also the fuel filter should be replaced periodically, it's easy to do, and not very expensive but it requires removal and disassembly of the fuel pump module.

The root issue is application. The 620 engine was originally designed as a generator/mower engine. On that type equipment, it ran at 3500-3700 RPM all day long under a heavy load, which generated a good bit of heat in the cooling and lubrication system. Well on the Mule, the engine IDLES most of the time and has little if any load against it. Total opposite. Big deal right? Wellllll.....if the engine OIL can't get up to 200 degrees+, any combustion byproducts can't evaporate. Engine oil level rises, gets a bunch of fuel vapors in it, and then because of the closed crankcase vent system (sorta a PCV) the engine is now ingesting it's own oil and fuel vapors that have built up in the crankcase, which carbons up the valves and pistons even more, wears the valve faces/seats off, the clearance closes up, pretty soon the engine compression is down, so is power, it won't idle, the throttle body gets gummed up, the intake pressure sensor senses pulsing, and it just overall runs like poo. Additionally, a stuck thermostat will also throw a wrench into the spokes in that they stick OPEN, and the engine won't get hot. Easy to spot using the diag software and a laptop but only dealers have it (to my knowledge), it'll get up to about 130 degrees in the hottest part of the summer and level off. An engine with a good thermostat will get up to 215 or so then drop back to about 180 and repeat over and over again--assuming the fan works as designed and the radiator isn't plugged up with cow/horse/goat poo and/or mud, dirt, hay, grass, chaff, fleas, ticks, dirt dobber nests, carpet, or whatever else. I think I remember one that had a bunch of cat hair across it too, their barn cats slept up on the winch area and the hair that was shed got sucked up by the fan, got wet during operation outside, and turned into a nasty mush that restricted air across the radiator core.

What recall was on the TPS's? I don't remember any but I don't have time to watch every single bulletin that comes out either.
I really appreciate all this information.

Since reading this, I just turn the key to start my Mule. I don't touch the gas peddle first, and now it starts right up and idles perfectly.

Before, I would give it a little gas before turning the key. It would start up revving, then die. You had to keep the RPM's up for a minute or two before you could drive it.

Thanks
 
   / Kawasaki Mule 4010 Trans - Engine Idle issue #20  
Look at YouTube Kawasaki Teryx fuel pump problems and Kawasaki 4010 Mule fuel pump problems. Teryx backfire,loss of power fix.
 

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