DocHeb
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The company didn't really pass bad peanut butter with impunity - they have gone bankrupt.
Kid's dirtbikes outlawed
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The company didn't really pass bad peanut butter with impunity - they have gone bankrupt.
2manyrocks
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I am not a fan of kid's dirtbikes. Just about every one of us in our group that rode motorcycles has some injury to show for it, some minor and some major. One of the guys who was hurt the worse now owns a motorcycle shop, and a lot of the guys still love to ride. Some of us have gotten more cautious in our older years.
But I will say that the CPCS ban on resale of clothing items is going to be felt by families raising young children. They won't be able to buy used kid's clothing inexpensively and will end up paying full retail price for kid's jeans and stuff that they would have gotten cheap at Goodwill or a consignment sale.
Our church has run preschool program since the 1980's and sponsored a Fall and a Spring children's clothing consignment sale. A little part of the proceeds go back into the preschool program and the majority of the proceeds go back to the parents. It has been a good way for parents to get quality clothing and toys for their children at a real cost savings. New kid's clothing is particularly expensive because they outgrow it so quickly and it's hardly used before they outgrow it.
I understand that the CPSC rule is aimed at getting clothing and toys containing lead out of distribution. However, if the CPSC had been doing its job in the first place, these items wouldn't have been sold new in the first place and wouldn't be in the marketplace at all. The practical effect of the CPSC rule is that parents with small children will have to buy at yard sales or will be buying clothing and toys at full retail prices from the same stores that imported the lead containing merchandise to start with.
My daughter had a disney character coin bank a few years ago that was about ten inches tall. It had a pointed decorative top. When I saw her shake it, I realized that the pointed top was coming dangerously close to her eyes. I reported it to the CPSC and so far as I know, they did nothing.
But I will say that the CPCS ban on resale of clothing items is going to be felt by families raising young children. They won't be able to buy used kid's clothing inexpensively and will end up paying full retail price for kid's jeans and stuff that they would have gotten cheap at Goodwill or a consignment sale.
Our church has run preschool program since the 1980's and sponsored a Fall and a Spring children's clothing consignment sale. A little part of the proceeds go back into the preschool program and the majority of the proceeds go back to the parents. It has been a good way for parents to get quality clothing and toys for their children at a real cost savings. New kid's clothing is particularly expensive because they outgrow it so quickly and it's hardly used before they outgrow it.
I understand that the CPSC rule is aimed at getting clothing and toys containing lead out of distribution. However, if the CPSC had been doing its job in the first place, these items wouldn't have been sold new in the first place and wouldn't be in the marketplace at all. The practical effect of the CPSC rule is that parents with small children will have to buy at yard sales or will be buying clothing and toys at full retail prices from the same stores that imported the lead containing merchandise to start with.
My daughter had a disney character coin bank a few years ago that was about ten inches tall. It had a pointed decorative top. When I saw her shake it, I realized that the pointed top was coming dangerously close to her eyes. I reported it to the CPSC and so far as I know, they did nothing.
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How is it ploitical?
Scooby074
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Gee, when i was a kid i used to love the taste of my dirt bike's fenders. Here they go trying to prevent my kids from having the right to eat plastic like their old man. They better not figure out that there is asbestos in brakes or we're all doomed.
/Sarcasm
Seriously though, what a stupid piece of legislation. Why is this even an issue?
/Sarcasm
Seriously though, what a stupid piece of legislation. Why is this even an issue?
JohnDeere4300
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They ask the makers of peanut butter if they would eat it, i think they said__NO COMMENT.
About the lead in paint, i heard that they are trying to make it against the law if you try and sell toys at a yard sell. It must be the toys that have the lead in them.
charlz
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This is far-reaching... every _product_ (not just toys) that is for children under 12 must be tested and certified for lead content. Under 600ppm now under 300ppm in 2011. More info here: http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/101lead.pdf
If you make childrens toys in your shop and sell them at Farmers Market you need to have each one certified.
An 'extension' of sorts was put out for certain products: CPSC Grants One Year Stay of Testing and Certification Requirements for Certain Products
Note that items not meeting these limits will be "banned hazardous substance" which means they can only be disposed of... no private party sales etc. and there is no 'grandfathering'. For dirtbikes and ATV's this means an end to organized racing for kids under 12... can't be liable for letting kids ride a "banned hazardous substance".
I can see this for toys and certain products that may make it into a child's mouth... but dirtbikes and ATV's? That's kinda like saying kids can't ride in cars due to the lead content in various parts (e.g. battery).
If you are against the ATV/dirtbike portion of the ban you can sign petions here Tom Self | Official Website and here American Motorcyclist Association
If you make childrens toys in your shop and sell them at Farmers Market you need to have each one certified.
An 'extension' of sorts was put out for certain products: CPSC Grants One Year Stay of Testing and Certification Requirements for Certain Products
Note that items not meeting these limits will be "banned hazardous substance" which means they can only be disposed of... no private party sales etc. and there is no 'grandfathering'. For dirtbikes and ATV's this means an end to organized racing for kids under 12... can't be liable for letting kids ride a "banned hazardous substance".
I can see this for toys and certain products that may make it into a child's mouth... but dirtbikes and ATV's? That's kinda like saying kids can't ride in cars due to the lead content in various parts (e.g. battery).
If you are against the ATV/dirtbike portion of the ban you can sign petions here Tom Self | Official Website and here American Motorcyclist Association
rdbrumfield
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I have seen a few kids that their folks do not let get dirty. It just gets me going. Close to child abuse I think. They are usually the ones that are sick all the time. Lead is one thing, but trying to regulate every last bit of enjoyment of life is absurd. People get hurt from the lack of training or stupidity. You can fix one but there is no legislation that will fix the other.
Think of it, you can hunt at 12 with supervision, maybe even younger, I know I was pretty good with a .22 at 7. You can put a deadly firearm in a kids hands, but don't dare let him go out and ride a fun machine.
I guess the best thing is getting on line and playing on these all day storing up the fat.
Think of it, you can hunt at 12 with supervision, maybe even younger, I know I was pretty good with a .22 at 7. You can put a deadly firearm in a kids hands, but don't dare let him go out and ride a fun machine.
I guess the best thing is getting on line and playing on these all day storing up the fat.
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I have mixed feelings about this one. Fifteen years ago they outlawed the sale of three wheel ATV's for safety considerations. No one asked me but I would have supported that.
And I suppose I'm unhappy about kid size atv's also. But using the lead ban to prohibit them is a misdirection of the intent of the regulations.
Do you recall about twenty years ago that they tried to use the lead ban to prohibit the manufacture of bullets. It took some effort, but they got stomped on.
These people that try to regulate and prohibit sports that are dangerous in the interests of safety sometimes get me mad. Twenty years ago there was a movement to require motorcycle riders to wear shin guards. It turns out that the driving force behind that movement was a manufacturer of shin guards.
If they had their way, sky diving, recreational flying, spelunking, auto racing etc would be prohibited. And in sports like tennis and golf, players would have to wear body armor.
And I suppose I'm unhappy about kid size atv's also. But using the lead ban to prohibit them is a misdirection of the intent of the regulations.
Do you recall about twenty years ago that they tried to use the lead ban to prohibit the manufacture of bullets. It took some effort, but they got stomped on.
These people that try to regulate and prohibit sports that are dangerous in the interests of safety sometimes get me mad. Twenty years ago there was a movement to require motorcycle riders to wear shin guards. It turns out that the driving force behind that movement was a manufacturer of shin guards.
If they had their way, sky diving, recreational flying, spelunking, auto racing etc would be prohibited. And in sports like tennis and golf, players would have to wear body armor.
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I wish I could find the letter, but at one time I had a transcript of a letter addressed to President Andrew Jackson in which a state governor was asking him to ban railroads because they traveled at the "enormous speed of 7 miles an hour scaring women, children and horses." The state governor was trying to protect the Erie Canal system from competition under the pretext of public safety.
I think people have the right to be very critical of the CPSC and Congress because the CPSC rule is so impractical and overreaching. If they want to ban dirtbikes, then they ought to specifically ban dirtbikes and not go about it in some careless, overbroad regulation.
I think people have the right to be very critical of the CPSC and Congress because the CPSC rule is so impractical and overreaching. If they want to ban dirtbikes, then they ought to specifically ban dirtbikes and not go about it in some careless, overbroad regulation.
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