Kioti CK10SE HST Right Hand brake pedal

[justman777]

That's a pretty slick idea, and very neat fab job!

 

[pcustoms]

After day 1 with the tractor and a bit of a pucker factor getting the foot from the brake to reverse, this is on my project list!

 

[LouNY]

Nice work, I've allways just shuck my head at those tractors with 3 or 4 pedals on the right side.
I have always wondered why they put the forward and reverse on foot pedals,
the early hydros the IH 656 and 100 hydros and even my old Ford lawn and garden tractor had the direction and speed control up where it was easy to control with your right hand.
I also noticed that you don't have steering brakes on that tractor.

 

[TMGT]

Does the Hst on the Kioti not hold that well? I have very hilly ground also but my tractor will pretty much stay put when I let off the HST pedal. Maybe creep a little but no problem getting to the brake pedal before it really moves.

 

[chevy]

Nice work, I've allways just shuck my head at those tractors with 3 or 4 pedals on the right side.
I have always wondered why they put the forward and reverse on foot pedals,
the early hydros the IH 656 and 100 hydros and even my old Ford lawn and garden tractor had the direction and speed control up where it was easy to control with your right hand.
I also noticed that you don't have steering brakes on that tractor.

I never understood why engineers thought that was a good idea.
I have never used steering brakes.

Does the Hst on the Kioti not hold that well? I have very hilly ground also but my tractor will pretty much stay put when I let off the HST pedal. Maybe creep a little but no problem getting to the brake pedal before it really moves.

For a lot of things it is not an issue. It is an issue when loading or unloading things from a vehicle or working near a building.
I do not believe the Kioti is any different than the John Deere tractors that I have owned, but they already had a left side brake pedal.

 

[toukow]

Very nice work and well thought out!!

I have a couple of questions though:

1. I was totally confused by your pictures because I thought your pedal setup would be the same as my CK2610HST, which is my first HST tractor. So does your SE version use some sort of electronic clutch when changing speed ranges?

2. Not to take away from your efforts in any way, but does this fall under the 'we all like what we're used to using' category? What advantage do you think John Deere saw in putting the brake on the left side, when every manual transmission vehicle I've driven and continue to drive, uses the right foot to engage the brake? Well at least unlike race car drivers, I think that is how most of us were taught anyway.

I'm impressed with my HST in that I seldom have to use the brakes, given the amount of engine/transmission braking inherent to the design. But when needed, I have not had an issue in finding it. Anyway, curious if I'm missing something as usual as to preference for left foot braking. Again, nice work!

Thanks, Toukow

 

[chevy]

Very nice work and well thought out!!

I have a couple of questions though:

1. I was totally confused by your pictures because I thought your pedal setup would be the same as my CK2610HST, which is my first HST tractor. So does your SE version use some sort of electronic clutch when changing speed ranges?

2. Not to take away from your efforts in any way, but does this fall under the 'we all like what we're used to using' category? What advantage do you think John Deere saw in putting the brake on the left side, when every manual transmission vehicle I've driven and continue to drive, uses the right foot to engage the brake? Well at least unlike race car drivers, I think that is how most of us were taught anyway.

I'm impressed with my HST in that I seldom have to use the brakes, given the amount of engine/transmission braking inherent to the design. But when needed, I have not had an issue in finding it. Anyway, curious if I'm missing something as usual as to preference for left foot braking. Again, nice work!

Thanks, Toukow

Thank you.

The SE models do no have a clutch. I have never owned a HST that had a clutch. I just move the lever between speed ranges. The PTO is operated from a electric switch.

All the JD HSTs that I have seen have left hand split pedal turning brakes. The reason I believe JD put the brake pedals on the left is because your left foot is free to operate the turning brakes. It would not be difficult to operate turning brakes & the HST pedal with the same foot at the same time. I have owned several JD garden tractors that have a single right hand brake pedal. I have never had a problem with them, but I am mostly using the garden tractors for mowing.

I stated above that I was used to the brake pedal being on the left was the reason for doing this. I used the tractor for several months with just the right brake pedal. I got along OK, but after discovering how easy it was to add the left hand brake pedal, I thought, why not. I feel a lot better having it that way.

 

[toukow]

Thanks, having the split brake on the left makes sense. Funny, I had never seen a hydrostatic without the clutch, but I guess it's because I only shopped on the low end of equipment. I infer there is an electronic disengagement on models such as yours, removing the need for a clutch.

I noticed the Kubota kept the split brake on the right for the L2501, guess every manufacturer does it differently; JD makes more sense in that regard. Thanks for replying, Toukow

 

[Threepoint]

[snip]
I'm impressed with my HST in that I seldom have to use the brakes, given the amount of engine/transmission braking inherent to the design. But when needed, I have not had an issue in finding it. Anyway, curious if I'm missing something as usual as to preference for left foot braking.[snip]

On reasonably flat terrain, letting up on the forward or reverse pedal is ordinarily enough to immediately stop the tractor. But that's not so if you're going up or down a steep slope. So, there are times when the ability to manipulate the brake pedal and the HST peddles simultaneously can actually make operations safer and more precise.

Here's one scenario: You have a heavy load of debris or fill material in your loader bucket or grapple, and you want to dump it into a gully or deep ditch. But you're on a steep, downhill slope as you approach the edge of the gully. With your left foot, you can put on the brake to assure you stay put while you move your right foot to the reverse pedal (or heel-down on a treadle pedal) and begin to back up.

If there's no left-foot brake pedal, the work-around is to stomp on the brake quickly with your right foot, reach down to lock the brake pedal with your hand, then release the lock once you begin to back up. That works too, but you have less control.

 

[TMGT]

Kubota has moved the brakes to the left on the newer B series, the base model L's are typically behind the curve compared to the premium models.

Part of it is if there is a food clutch, if so it stays on the left which forces the brakes to be on the right.