Kioti Isn't Worth the Risk

JATO_RaT · Apr 23, 2002

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HST, why do you need brakes? Very rare that you need them. Kioti can't say that. Why do they not offer HST. That is a real, I mean major drawback to Kioti. I would not consider them until such was offered. It shows to me that Kioti is out of touch with the market or lacks the engineering to have HST. Either way, they eliminate a huge portion of the market. Rat...

ByuBill · Apr 23, 2002

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Rat
As Ranchman said in an above post,,, Absolutely - if HST is something you can't live without, then Kioti is definitely off your list of possibilities. Without getting into the "Ford vs. Chevy" debate, I'll just say that people value HST differently - you appear to be in the "HST is a must" crowd (Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Personally, HST was not on my list of must haves. Shuttle shift works just fine for me because I'm just in it for the fun anyway./w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

RanchMan · Apr 23, 2002

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It shows to me that Kioti is out of touch with the market or lacks the engineering to have HST. 

/w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif Hmmm... Can't speak as to exactly why Kioti doesn't offer HST (I have some speculative guesses, but they’re just that - guesses). Regardless of their "motivation" for not offering HST, I SERIOUSLY doubt that Kioti "lacks the engineering (skills) to have HST." We aren't talking rocket science here. I still can't quite figure out why some folks imply that unless a tractor company offers HST, all they put out are "poorly engineered" products.

ByuBill · Apr 24, 2002

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Daedong CEO Message.....from Daedong website............
For more than 50 years since the founding of Daedong during the tumultuous years following the 1945 liberation of Korea, Daedong has been the leading Korean manufacturer of mechanized farming equipment.
Since Daedong was founded in 1947 by the past Chairman Sam Man Kim, Daedong has continued to follow our founder's footsteps by rapidly responding to market challenges and constantly growing our technical knowledge and production capacity for mechanized farming equipment.
Starting with the successful introduction of the first water-cooled diesel engine in 1949, Daedong has continued to be a pioneer in the develoment of mechanized farming equipment techology.
Noteworthy accomplishments include the power tiller in 1963, followed by the development of a full product line of tractors, combines, rice transplanters and garden tillers.
Even now, Daedong is investing heavily in leading-edge technologies and new production facilities to assure the world class competiveness of Daedong products.

Daedong's successful efforts at export diversification have resulted in the acceptance of Daedong products in more than 30 global markets.
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The need of customers who have relied on Daedong to fulfill their farming equipment need for 50 years can also rely on Daedong to respond to the wide range of challengers and opportunities faced by global agricultural community in the 21st Century.
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I also don't think that it is a 'lack of engineering skills'. Seems that within all of their enterprizes there is a lot of techonlogy.
On the other hand,,,, Kubota Corp. was founded in 1890.. They entered the U.S. market in 1968. (long time getting here) Seems that when they were first introduced there was a lot of skeptics around them. Hst didn't have anything to do with it though. I think that it was because it was 'made in Japan'. Lots of people still remembering 'Pearl Harbor'. If memory serves me right. Kubota didn't have such a great start in the US.
Kioti---I suppose that another generation was remembering Korea and they didn't go over real big ........I'm not sure that anyone in the US would be running out to buy a low cost Afghanistan tractor about now .......

time heals all wounds, also, time wounds all heels .....
Guess that we will have wait and see what the future holds for the tractor market. ......

BTI · Apr 24, 2002

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Why do you say it's rare you need brakes? The L3000 isn't hydro, right? Sorry I think I want wet brakes. If EVERYONE(according to you) just has to have HST why does J-D, Kubota etc, etc, still make gear drives?? Here we go again transforming this post into a my tractor's better than yours etc thread. /w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif/w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif It's human nature for people to defend their favorite brand..........by the way Chevy sucks, Fords the best, Dodge is O.K. in a pinch. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif Wait.....I also think trucks should only come with standard trannies and diesels. It's a free country guys! Choice is what makes the world go around. The topic of this thread was a little biased so you can't blame us for defending our favorite brand.
BTI

RanchMan · Apr 24, 2002

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Here we go again transforming this post into a my tractor's better than yours etc thread

Yup. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif I agree completely!!! (unfortunately) /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif

As we've both pointed out, it is natural for one to defend one's own brand/model choice if it is "picked on", but something completely different to start bashing someone else's choices. I guess it makes some folks feel like a "big man."

Unfortunately I feel like I'm a back in college sociology/psychology class observing some "bully" experiment through a one-way-mirror or something. I guess there are those who either didn't read or refuse to take my earlier comment of "if you haven't driven one, seen one close up, have "hard" statistical info, or other "real" information, please - spare the implications that "Brand X stinks" type comments - it's not fair and poor form." to heart.

Sad...../w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

BTI · Apr 24, 2002

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AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTI

Rollerskate · Apr 24, 2002

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I think and important cost of a machine is not just the purchase price but the cost of ownership. One of the Kioti dealers in my area said a big reason he opted to sell Kioti's rather than Kubota's was the cost of parts. Not only did he not want to pay extra for parts, he did not want to have to pass that on to his customers. So take the difference and throw a few more bucks into that 5% saving account.

JATO_RaT · Apr 24, 2002

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Ranchman, if its so easy, why not offer it? Thats my question. Why eliminate a portion of a GROWING market? Where does my opinion say anything about "poor quality". I have never seen a Kioti up close to even begin to make that statement. It may not be rocket science, but plenty of companies have taken a stab at it and failed miserably. International being one of them. JD's revamped the entire line of 4000's, my understanding is that some of it had to do with faulty HST's. Don't read between the lines.
I have no desire to convert anybody to HST. Your manual transmission should do you just fine. I'm glad that at least with some manufactuers, I have a choice. Rat...