Kioti RX 7320 vs LSMT5,Case 75a

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 2, 2022

I am looking at upgrading my current tractor a Massey 1759 which I have not had good luck with. These are the ones I have been looking at. Option wise it seems like the Kioti has more bells and whistles than the others standard. I Have also had it quoted significantly cheaper. I believe the other two are very much alike. I know you can get a lemon in any model however it appears I am seeing more negative on the other two vs the kioti. I would love to hear opinions regarding the reliability and any issues all have seen with any of these tractors. Price and options wise I am looking real hard at the Kioti.

jeff9366 · Aug 2, 2022

LS Vs Kioti, both Korean tractor brands, is a frequent topic on T-B-N.

T-B-N ARCHIVE:
kioti vs ls site www.tractorbynet.com

( I believe the LS and Case are very much alike. )

LS produces private label tractors for several other tractor brands according to this Wiki post:

List of tractors built by LS for other companies

This is a list of tractors built by LS Tractors for other companies:

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Read away.

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It has been touched on a couple of times, but not directly as a buying factor. Every major make has a machine that will do the job(s) you want. Check out your nearby dealers. Go with the nearest dealer you have confidence in. A great machine with no support nearby is a hassle to repair and maintain. And a good machine can't make a lousy dealer into a good one.

TugBarge · Aug 2, 2022

As with any tractor purchase - how close is your dealer for each brand?

RX7320's have good reliability, but parts availability for Kioti is a growing issue - sure, it's also a broad COVID issue - but I do not have access to AGCO or Deere parts databases to see availability of their parts. Dealer network is key in my opinion - look into how much they charge to pick up and deliver (unless you plan to do this on your own). For your own service - keep a decent stock of filters and common parts if you can.

I would not hesitate to run an RX - but just be ready for some bizarre quirks, especially for the first 50. All in all, I like the RX range - and know of many relying on them commercially.

Also, I am weary of brands that offer the most bells and whistles while still coming in at a lower price point - often the extra bells and whistles have questionable reliability.

nrosario · Aug 3, 2022

I got my RX7320 this past June; I keep a journal with all details, 32hrs and no issues so far.
My first regen was at 18hrs, and I'm almost sure it was my fault for not running it at high enough RPMs.
I checked multiple brands and sizes, and this was the best option in my current situation.
Keep in mind that Kioti is similar to Kubota in the sense that they make the entire tractor in-house (frame, engine, transmission, etc.).
As most would recommend, evaluate your local dealers and see if you can try all tractor models before making a decision.
Also, are you looking for a cab tractor or open station?
Where are you located, approx?

woolyAcres · Aug 3, 2022

I've got 400 trouble-free hours on our RX7320. A very solid machine. Had it mabye 5 years. Paid $39,500 (IIRC) for brand new cab tractor, loader, loaded rear tires and 2 sets of remotes. That price was delivered. Had one small issue with the ignition, replaced by dealer under warranty. My biggest complaints are wish it had a buddy seat and would like the cab to be quieter. We farm 100 acres with ~30 beef cows and 60 sheep right now. Use it mainly for making hay (9' Krone disc mower and Krone 4x4 baler (wet and dry)). Also pull a 10' brush hog to keep pastures clear. Been well suited to that work.

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 3, 2022

I am located in Denton Tx. The Tractor will be north east of Gainesville TX. I have a 115 Acres I will be using it on. Alot of Hay work, shredding, roads and wood work. I would really like a cab in this heat. One of the biggest concerns is I would probably hit a limb with it. So would consider an open station. Dealer wise real close are Kubota, Deere (no skid steer FEL), Mahindra, LS (very small dealer), Massey. My experience with the old Massey 135 has been good the newer 1759 not so good. Front axle replaced, front end rebuilt (not sure if that wasn't from a botched front axle replacement, Transmission syncros replaced, Hydraulics stick valve replaced. My wife will not let me buy another and right now not sure I want to. The Kioti dealer nearest is Thirty miles from Denton but does not carry the RX7320. They also carry Case. The Dealer I would purchase from is about 2hrs out. I am hoping to get to see the tractor this weekend. They are offering 43K for the cab. Every where else is in the 50K+. All of the others are mid $50-60's. I have not really started to try and negotiate with any of the others. The Kioti dealer seems straight up. I am trying to find out if the dealer close to us will service the RX even if it does not carry that model.

Tug, agree with parts availability. I am not sure it would be any better than the Massey we had. Waited several months when the Transmission was being worked on for parts out of Japan.

Wooly, would really like a buddy seat too. Have a granddaughter that would love to give rides to.

Love the owner feedback.

Still relatively new to this board and will try to update information.

nrosario · Aug 3, 2022

mrgreenjeanstx said:
I am located in Denton Tx. The Tractor will be north east of Gainesville TX. I have a 115 Acres I will be using it on. Alot of Hay work, shredding, roads and wood work. I would really like a cab in this heat. One of the biggest concerns is I would probably hit a limb with it. So would consider an open station. Dealer wise real close are Kubota, Deere (no skid steer FEL), Mahindra, LS (very small dealer), Massey. My experience with the old Massey 135 has been good the newer 1759 not so good. Front axle replaced, front end rebuilt (not sure if that wasn't from a botched front axle replacement, Transmission syncros replaced, Hydraulics stick valve replaced. My wife will not let me buy another and right now not sure I want to. The Kioti dealer nearest is Thirty miles from Denton but does not carry the RX7320. They also carry Case. The Dealer I would purchase from is about 2hrs out. I am hoping to get to see the tractor this weekend. They are offering 43K for the cab. Every where else is in the 50K+. All of the others are mid $50-60's. I have not really started to try and negotiate with any of the others. The Kioti dealer seems straight up. I am trying to find out if the dealer close to us will service the RX even if it does not carry that model.

Tug, agree with parts availability. I am not sure it would be any better than the Massey we had. Waited several months when the Transmission was being worked on for parts out of Japan.

Wooly, would really like a buddy seat too. Have a granddaughter that would love to give rides to.

Love the owner feedback.

Still relatively new to this board and will try to update information.

I got my tractor from Rivera's Machinery in Donna, TX.
So far, it has been a great experience.
Great price and excellent customer service.
I bent one of the loader stand legs, totally my fault, and they took the part from one of their tractors on the lot and shipped it my way, at no extra cost.
I recommend that at least you check them out. If you do, ask for Thomas, and you can tell him Nick from FL referred you.

Good luck.

TugBarge · Aug 3, 2022

mrgreenjeanstx said:
Tug, agree with parts availability. I am not sure it would be any better than the Massey we had. Waited several months when the Transmission was being worked on for parts out of Japan.

I order parts for a Kioti Dealer on the west coast, and it's incredible what I can and can't get - if you opt for a cab - be careful with that glass - I have been waiting nearly a year for new glass panels for several cabs in the field.

Mud2Money · Aug 3, 2022

I originally wanted a RX but could not get one due to availability near me. I ended up going with the MT5. It’s been a fantastic machine. No problems in +130 hours. Ran it on 93 degree days tilling 7 acres no heat issues. It’s only done 2 regens both at 50 hour intervals by the computer. Came fully loaded. I use the auto up and auto pto a lot. All 3 remotes have float as well which are handy with top and tilts.

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 3, 2022

nrosario said:
I got my tractor from Rivera's Machinery in Donna, TX.
So far, it has been a great experience.
Great price and excellent customer service.
I bent one of the loader stand legs, totally my fault, and they took the part from one of their tractors on the lot and shipped it my way, at no extra cost.
I recommend that at least you check them out. If you do, ask for Thomas, and you can tell him Nick from FL referred you.

Good luck.

Donna is about 7-8 hours from me. Down on the border. That range would open me up all the way to MS and Alabama going east. Thank you for the thought.

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 7, 2022

I test drove a RX7320 Open station yesterday. Really nice machine. The Transmission was seamless on the power shuttle and the forward to reverse changes were very smooth. I have tried to locate the LS MT573 locally unsuccessfully. The LS seems to have the largest capacity 3 point hitch over 6k pounds. This is significantly higher than any of the others I have seen. The Kioti seems to be second. The FEL went to Kioti just under 4K capacity. Not sure why the large difference in the three point with LS and other tractors in that area. I also visited the Kubota dealer and looked at the M7060. Very nice tractor priced much higher and did not have the standard options that are on the Kioti. Kioti dealer was great locally but did not have a cab version and not sure with the supply issues when he would get one. Interesting that tractors ordered in 2021 are showing up now. I am going to visit the Kioti dealer with a cab next Saturday to look it over. I have been strongly thinking about the open station just due to the extra care I would have to take with a cab. I think the heat yesterday may have convinced me that the cab may be the way to go. Not getting any younger these days.

Williy · Aug 7, 2022

Have you looked at the Deutz kFahr
5080D??? If you have a chance check
it out and let us know what you think of
it???

willy

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 8, 2022

Willy, I have not. Not a dealer in the area. The tractor looks interesting with HP at 80 and no DPF. Would love to have seen one. Not sure about pricing or dependability on these tractors.

Williy · Aug 8, 2022

Deutz has been around since the late
40's and If I could see one I would have
probably purchased one instead of what
I have now. A lot of air cooled Deutz tractors
were in the states years ago. They say when
you drain the oil right after plowing you can
hold your hand in the oil and not get burned!
The Yanmar YT235C is a
good machine has done everything I
wanted it to do and so far no problems.
I would get this (pic) before I got the
backhoe if I knew it was on the market.

The 5080D goes for around $55K that's
all I can tell you.

willy

paulfun9 · Aug 9, 2022

Williy said:
Deutz has been around since the late
40's and If I could see one I would have
probably purchased one instead of what
I have now. A lot of air cooled Deutz tractors
were in the states years ago. They say when
you drain the oil right after plowing you can
hold your hand in the oil and not get burned!
The Yanmar YT235C is a
good machine has done everything I
wanted it to do and so far no problems.
I would get this (pic) before I got the
backhoe if I knew it was on the market.
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The 5080D goes for around $55K that's
all I can tell you.

willy

We have them but they are not even in the same ballpark as a backhoe

Janet

woolyAcres · Aug 9, 2022

@mrgreenjeanstx-
I agree the transmission on the RX7320 is very smooth. It's got some adjustability in how fast it responds to shuttle changes but I've never needed to mess with that.

I don't know why the 3PT lift capacity on the LS would be so much higher but around my farm I've got nothing that makes the 'weaker' Kioti struggle. Not sure I'd want 6000lbs hanging off the back anyway. With cab, loaded tires, and loader I think mine comes in right around 10,000lbs. I don't have any need to lift more than 1/2 of that with the 3PT.

One feature on the RX7320 that I use all the time is PTO Cruise. You basically set a PTO RPM that you want to save and then with the push of a button the machine will return to that speed. You get out of that setting by pressing the brake pedal and can return right to it with the press of a button. I use this all the time when baling. I use the hand throttle to set a min rpm say 1500, then use PTO Cruise to set a baling RPM: 2200 (which is 540 PTO). When the chamber is full and it's time to wrap and dump the bale I simply hit the brake pedal, the engine slows down to 1500, I backup, wrap, and dump the bale. Once I've closed the chamber I simply hit the 'Resume' button and I'm back up to baling RPM.

When I was shopping I wanted a machine with warranty and was very price sensitive. I couldn't find anything close to this HP and features for even $10k more. I didn't look at LS at that time. We have a dealer not too far away but it's a very small shop, he only has sub-compacts in stock and didn't have access to a utility machine for me to look at. The corresponding JD, Case (also sells Kioti and where I bought mine), and Kubota were at least $12k more.

If I were to do it all over I'd take a close look at the MF4707. Slightly lower HP at the PTO but I have no doubt totally sufficient for my needs. It has some 'upgrades' that would be nice: the buddy seat for one, the high-vis roof which are not even options on the RX7320. I never even looked at one in person. My guess is it's $10-15k more for machine similar to mine. Although almost certainly a 'nicer' machine it, was out of the budget.

Mine has done everything I've asked of it and it's paid for. I've been very happy with it. I think there are lots of good choices out there. Hopefully you'll find something that fits your needs/budget.

mrgreenjeanstx · Aug 10, 2022

woolyAcres said:
If I were to do it all over I'd take a close look at the MF4707. Slightly lower HP at the PTO but I have no doubt totally sufficient for my needs. It has some 'upgrades' that would be nice: the buddy seat for one, the high-vis roof which are not even options on the RX7320. I never even looked at one in person. My guess is it's $10-15k more for machine similar to mine. Although almost certainly a 'nicer' machine it, was out of the budget.

I have looked briefly at the 4707 and researched it some. The dealer did not have any on the lot. Local pricing without really shopping yet, they quoted on the open station of 55K and a Cab at 71K. Significantly higher than the Kioti. That sent me in a different direction. I will look at the cab verion of the RX this weekend. A friend purchased one and took delivery a couple weeks ago. Nothing but praises when he was on it over the last weekend. Would be nice to have the buddy seat. I wonder if it could be something added aftermarket.