kioti starting problems

[ritcheyvs]

It sounds like you measured the voltage at the cable clamp, not the actual battery post. If you haven't already, recommend you remove the cable clamps from the battery posts, clean the posts and inside of the clamps, reassemble, and try again. This acts very much like a bad contact between the battery posts and the battery cable clamps. Or maybe I misunderstand, again.

 

[sdavies2000]

the battery isn't even in the tractor. its on the shop floor. I have one end of the positive jumper cable clamped onto a cleaned tractor positive cable that would normally attach to battery post. the other end of jumper is clamped on pos battery post. negative jumper is clamped onto alternator bracket and negative post of battery. the negative or ground cable from tractor frame to battery isn't even part of the equation this way.
the multimeter leads are connected to the battery posts, not in series or anything funny. I shouldn't have used the word "inline".
everything turns freely when I turn the fan, no slipping, all pulleys turning and I can feel the pistons inside the cylinders going through the different "strokes" as they compress and start coming down again, vice vera.
the batteries I've been testing with came out of boats from this fall which have been on maintainers since taken out of boats. when I started troubleshooting, I was actually using 3 batteries but switched to two this time because it seemed ridiculous. I will however go purchase a load tester and test them all for peace of mind.
I will try turning the headlights on when I get home, that's a good idea.

 

[Kioti Paul]

Did you ever actually INSTALL a 2nd battery (with clean, tight clamps), or did you use jumper cables to "install" the 2nd (& 3rd) battery?

 

[sdavies2000]

jumper cable install....I did clean the outside of the pos terminal from tractor though where the jumper clamp makes contact. I did actually try but the batteries are slightly bigger than the original so I wasn't able to get them into place, which is why they remained on floor and used jumper cables.

okay point taken, I will buy a new battery on my way home and install it properly. What specs do I need for a ck30? I never looked at the cold cranking amps on original and I'd have to go home first to look then drive 30mins back into town to buy battery.

 

[Kioti Paul]

I don't have 1st hand knowledge of the battery for the 30CK tractor. Hopefully someone will post the correct one soon.

I did a quick search and found the following link:


Kioti CK3 Tractor Battery (25-28)


In case you can't pull it up, below are the specs:

Details
Group 24 Battery

Voltage: 12
CCA: 750
CA: 905
RC: 120 Min.

Length: 10.50"
Width: 6.75"
Height Over Terminals: 8.75"

Terminals: Auto Post
Chemistry: Maintenance Free - Flooded Lead Acid


This web site also says this is the same battery used in my DK45.....and it is, so I think it probably is correct in regards to your tractor. Kioti is becoming popular enough that most places that sell batteries should be able to look up the correct one for you.

Good Luck!

 

[sdavies2000]

thanks richeyvs and KP. I will update later on today after install

 

[cabin kioti]

I also have a CK30HST and replaced the battery after ten years. I have a friend of mine that experienced a similar problem. He called me and said his battery was bad on his ck30 and he replaced it with another battery and the tractor will not start. I went over to give him a hand. I checked voltage all ok starter fuse ok but when you turn the key to start only noise from the starter. Pulled the battery checked grounds all ok. He put the battery on charge and then called me. I went back over and he put the battery back in with no change. I checked voltage per the specs. I asked were he got the battery and it was from his fishing boat. The battery was from his trolling motor and a deep cycle, Replaced it with a new battery and started right up. I have been following this and anything that would make the battery cook would surely fry some wires. Good luck.

 

[sdavies2000]

Okay, let the ribbing commence. Put a brand new battery in it and voila, fired right up! It was a 13yr old battery so no surprise there but lesson learned, don't test with boat batteries on jumpers! Thanks for everyone's help!

 

[Kioti Paul]

I am so glad all worked out!

I have come to the conclusion that it is extremely difficult to describe, in a relatively few words, what your symptoms are, and what steps you have taken to diagnose the problem. It is equally difficult to interpret (in those few words) what is the most likely (in your opinion) failure, then communicate effectively on how to proceed. Kinda puts the Kioti Service Manual in a new light for me...imagine having to do that when you don't speak the language!!

I will say you got your moneys worth from that first battery!!:thumbsup:

 

[ritcheyvs]

Attaboy Davies!

The next thing I would have suggested was connecting the + jumper to directly to the starter solenoid, bypassing the regular battery cable. And then get the battery tested at a car parts place (I assume you have those there); in the US places like Autozone will test a battery for free.

You told us all along that the battery voltage measured AT THE POSTS was down to 4-6 volts when the glow plugs fired up but I doubted you actually measured it at the posts. Bad on me. In retrospect, I realize that when you said the meter probe was between the jumper and the battery post, I envisioned an installed battery with cable clamps connected, such that the meter probe had to be between the jumper and the battery cable clamp (i.e. not actually on the posts)

Anything below 10v with a legitimate load is a sick (or discharged) battery. Back in the day, batteries died slowly but the new ones seem to suffer from sudden death. This is one more data point to help the next guy.