Kiwi Wet Pruf

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Chuck52

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Leather treatment is "related", isn't it?

A while back I bought some Kiwi Wet Pruf at Wally World to use on
my shoes. I was really looking for some mink oil or the like, but
the Kiwi stuff was all they had in the shoe department, and I figured
it would do. It's a yellow grease/wax stuff that is supposed to
water proof in about the same way mink oil does. I used it once
without noticing anything unusual. Saturday, I was applying another
coat and the sun shone through the window at just the right angle to
hit the can of goop. Sparkles! There were shiny crystals all over
the surface of the stuff where I hadn't yet dug into it.

You have to understand, crystals are my life. Crystals pay the bills. I
have a lab full of equipment to examine crystals. So....off to the
lab with the can of goop. Now, I was really hoping the crystals
were of some component of the goop that might be interesting, like one
of the greasy things that do the water proofing. Such molecules don't
like to crystallize, and I was thinking maybe I had lucked onto a really
interesting crystalline material. As soon as I got the crystals
under the scope and poked them with a needle, I knew the Nobel committee
wouldn't be looking me up for this little project. The crystals were
way too pretty and hard. If a miracle had happened and one of the
greasy components had crystallized, the crystals would have been
soft, at best. These little suckers acted more like sugar crystals.
Ah, well. Might as well see what they are.

The structure is attached. Gray atoms are carbon and hydrogen. Red
is oxygen. Green is chlorine. The stuff is 4-chloro-3,5-dimethyl-
phenol, also called chloroxylenol. It's used for mildew prevention,
so it makes sense that it is included in this leather treatment. So,
why am I telling you this? Well, couple of reasons. One is that
there are no ingredients listed on the container of Wet Pruf. This
particular ingredient is not something a casual user of this product
might expect to be there. It is a fungicide, and in my experience,
fungicides are not good things to eat. Maybe you're neater about these
things than I am, but when I waterproof my shoes I also usually water-
proof my fingers. Thinking it's just grease, I'd probably wipe my hands
before eating that donut, but I wouldn't think much about it. Turns
out this stuff is reasonably water soluble, so a good washing might get
it off your hands, though you gotta wonder how much good it would then
do your leather! Anyway, I know some of my TBN bretheren are more
chemophobic than I, and might want to know. The other reason is that
I can't publish this structure because some guy already did it in 1995.
Plus, I've been jealous of all you guys who have neat pictures of
projects and stuff.

Chuck
 

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And the part that isn't a pretty crystal is doubtless a mix of Vaselene & Neatsfoot oil.
If I could get a small box of them crystals, I could make up my next batch with mildew resistance.
Please send crystals.
The check is in the mail.
 
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We,ve been using Kiwi products up here since Santa was a teenager and no one's died from it yet. And it works well.

Of course, just the fact that we live in the freezer of the world, might allude to some brain damage from it's use. Hmmm, now I'm worried. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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Mike,

I think if you don't butter your toast with it you'll be OK.

Chuck
 
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<font color=blue> I've been jealous of all you guys who have neat pictures of
projects and stuff.</font color=blue>

Chuck, no need to be jealous any more. I believe that is the first atom attachment I have seen on the forum. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

MarkV
 
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Being sensitive to excitotoxins (MSG, hydrolyzed vegtable protein and aspartame) I consider myself a human canary. Processed foods are killing us so I guess it's no big deal if we get a finger lickin' dose of Kiwi after waterproofin' our boots. I'm sure this will compliment the sodium nitrite pesticide in the bacon/w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif. Remember, If man made it, don't eat it.
I did find this interesting.


Greg
 
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Chuck et. al.,

I guess my addiction to TBN stems from the fact that you never know what you'll get by clicking to open each thread.

Amazingly enough you did answer a question that I have had since Christmas. We bought our property in August and I'd been making due w/ my old pair of Danner work boots, I finally broke down and bought a new pair (of Danners of Course).

Rarely do I pay much heed to the instructions that come in boxes (hasn't gotten me or anybody else killed yet), especially w/ boots. But for some reason I read the instructions and Danner reccommends (sp?) that you only use a "water soluable" water proofer. I looked at the Kiwi water proofer at, where else but, "Wallymart." I didn't buy it b/c it did not include any ingredients.

Now, due to Chuck's post, I know Kiwi water proofer is water soluable.

Thanks Chuck. I can rest easy.

Clint
 
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Kind of relating to another thread in another topic here on TBN...

Does this mean that Kiwi should label their cans of WetPruf "Not For Human Consumption" ? /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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Clint,

So far as I know, not having a list of ingredients, only the 4-chloro-3,5-dimethylphenol part of the Wet Pruf is water soluble, and that is only to the extent of 1 gram in 3 liters of water at 20C. My Merck Index says it is "More stable in hot water". Frankly, I'm not sure what that means, but it seems to suggest the stuff is less soluble in hot water than in 20C water. Anyway, 1 gram in 3 liters is not all that soluble, and I would think the greasy parts are even less water soluble. The oily-greasy-waxy part is what should provide the water proofing properties of the goop. The crystalline material is there as a preservative against microbiological buggers. Maybe the Danner folks want you to use one of the silicone based treatments you spray on? I never thought of them as "water soluble" either. I wanted one of the rub in kind to help with scuff marks and dirt and such. I suppose you're supposed to use saddle soap or something to clean the leather first, but I just slather on enough goop so that when I wipe off the excess the dirt comes with it.

Chuck
 
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far be it from me to pose as an expert ... especially here where we have experts on any subject in the known universe .... but I have to question why they'd want you to use something that's water soluble. My boots have, in the past, suffeed water damage. Therefore, my wish is always to apply something that is water resistant ... or just plain keeps water away from the leather and especially the seams/threads. I interpret "water soluble" as meaning it will dissolve ... or wash away ... in water.

But .... I'm always willing to learn .... /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif
 
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Wingnut,

I failed to mention that the boots have Gore Tex lining. Also, I reread the instructions and looked on Danner's website (should've been reading for class instead of reading on TBN) and Danner recommends a "water based" water proofer. Here is there info:

<font color=blue>"2. Waterproof `em:
Even if your boots have GORE-TEX ®, which is 100% waterproof, it’s still a good idea to periodically waterproof the leather. This will help keep it from absorbing too much water and becoming heavy and weakened. The same is true for boots that use a fabric panel in the upper.

There are many waterproofing products on the market, but we recommend water-based formulas because they perform best and do not harm leather or fabrics. Petroleum- or animal-based products, although widely used, are not recommended as they can over-soften the leather and cause damage. Danner offers three different waterproofing products in its Boot Care System line." </font color=blue>

I have no technical knowledge in the leather care area so I am interested to see if anybody else knows how true the above statement is. I assume Danner has some sort of research behind their ideas -- this is not always so, however.

Danners are one of the only brands of boots that I can work in all day and not wake up the next morning w/ aching ankles.

Clint
 
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Clint,

I bet Danner is right about some oil-based products over-softening the leather, and with work boots especially, too supple leather would tend to reduce the support offered to the feet and ankle. You'd think something based on beeswax, for instance, might offer water protection without the softening effect. I looked for water-based waterproofing products on the web and only turned up a water-based seam sealer, which was apparently a water soluble polymer that cured after application. It wasn't supposed to be used on the body of the boot, however, just on the seams. Maybe Danner sells something like that to use on the whole boot. Or, maybe they have you seal the seams with that and then use a silicone spray over the whole boot. Wet Pruf does make my shoes feel like oiled leather....which is fine for these shoes, but maybe too soft for work boots.

Chuck
 
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Chuck,

Danner does make a water based water proofer -- of course, I needed something immediately so I started shopping around. I ended up buying a water based water proofer made by Doc Marten. Evidently Doc Marten doesn't recommend using anything, but a water based product on their boots/shoes either.

Thanks for the info. And I thought all I'd be learning about was tractors and implements on TBN.

Clint.
 

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