Know what kind of pup this is?

johnday · Sep 15, 2004

Richard; For once I agree they're either Sammies or Eskimo's. If I'm not mistaken, the Samoyed "pronounced sa' moid" is a relative of of the Siberian Husky. They are both great dogs. We rescue critters too. Looks like you made a fantastic find! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Junkman · Sep 15, 2004

( Isn't this one of Junkman's "expertise areas"? )

OK..... just to throw in the monkey wrench... Spitz. I would need to see their mouths to know for a better guess. Depends on how old they are. If they have very small teeth and are about 12 weeks old, 15 pounds, then I say Samoyed. If they are about 12 weeks and half that weigh, then American Eskimo. The AE is a smaller dog by at least half of the Sam. Just my opinion..... hard to tell from pictures. The Sam's tail is usually straighter than the AE when they are pups. If it curls onto the back, that is another vote for AE. My very best guess, the mother was a wayward woman and the father was a drifter without a contience.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BigDave · Sep 15, 2004

Richard I would go with American Eskimo Spitz, probably the minature variety ~ 12-15" tall. There are also toy & standard varieties. Attached is a photo of a 5 month old A.E. Spitz.

I really doubt that they are Samoyeds , pronounced Sahm-e-yed by the traditionalist, SAM-oy-ed for the modernists, & sammies by their owners. Guess what type of dog I used to own?

Junkman · Sep 15, 2004

What is the difference between an American Eskimo and a Spitz????? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

From the American Kennel Club Site:

( The American Eskimo Dog is a member of the Non-Sporting Group and was first registered by the AKC in 1993.
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(my note) Prior to 1993, the AKC recognized a dog that was known as "Spitz". There were not many of them recognized for registration and the fell into a "miscellaneous" category going by my memory. If I can find my old AKC and Dog Breed Visualization books, I will post what I find for additional information.

From the United Kennel Club:

( The American Eskimo was recognized by the United Kennel Club in 1913.
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(my note) Amazing how times change isn't it. Took 90 year before the AKC realized how much money that they were loosing by not recognizing a particular breed of dog.

daedong · Sep 15, 2004

One thing for sure it's not an Aussie Dingo. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BillG_in_TX · Sep 15, 2004

I would guess that all AE's are Spitz, but not all Spitz are AE?

We used to have a mixed breed Spitz that looked exactly like the picture Dave posted! Or at least, when we adopted him from a shelter, we were told he was mixed. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif What a great friend he was, but absolutely terrified of thunderstorms. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

from the AKC site:
( American Eskimo Dog - Contrary to popular belief, the American Eskimo Dog is not descended from working sled dogs. The "Eskie," as it is nicknamed, originated in the Spitz family of dogs, also known as the Nordic breeds. In the past, it was called the American Spitz. During the 19th century, in this country, Eskie's were most commonly found in communities with German immigrants. Later in that century, the Eskie became a popular dog for use in traveling circuses throughout the U.S. Thanks in part to the breed's agility and eye-catching snowy-white coat, the dog was used for many acts, including those that involved tightrope walking. The AKC first registered this breed in the Non-Sporting group in 1995. )

Junkman · Sep 16, 2004

Bill......
When we sold dogs in the stores, we always had problems with people that couldn't understand why the AKC wouldn't recognize the breed and the UKC would. Even today, the two organizations don't agree on the standard for the breed. I don't know how the AKC even came up with a method for registration, because they are very particular about lineage history. They are great dogs with the exception of the shedding. One American Eskimo can shed enough hair in one year to spin into yarn and knit a sweater. Had a GF that I gave one to as a present. She loved the dog, but hated the vacuuming to keep up with it..

Richard · Sep 16, 2004

( If it curls onto the back, that is another vote for AE )

The tails DO seem to curl on the back. The teeth (IMHO) are small, but they're small dogs, so what do I know /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif.

They DO seem to come when called, so it's crossed our minds if they've had SOME socialization with people, or if they are just that eager to be around people. They (or at least one of them) will cower into a powder puff sized ball when you approach her... my gut feeling about that is it seems she feels defensive... now we wonder if they've been beat/kicked/other... Perhaps it was just because they didn't know us because as a day or two has passed, they seem less balled up... oh yeah, one of them took that cowering opportunity to relive herself on the dining room floor /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif . Good thing small puddles come out of small dogs /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

dmccarty · Sep 16, 2004

Richard,

If a dog is cowering/looking small and pees it is a sign of submission. My dog did it the other day which really suprised me. At the time she was in some very bad pain. Neither we nor the vet have a clue as to why she was in pain but it was bad. She would whine laying down. She would whine walking out the door. She is better now from what we can tell. But while in the midst of all of this I was petting and talking to her and she let loose a little. She has not done that since she was a puppy....

Later,
Dan McCarty

BillG_in_TX · Sep 16, 2004

Junkman,

No kidding about the shedding! We said our next dog would be a Schnauzer! Alex was also very territorial and we were never able to get him socialized with other dogs - but that was most likely our fault, not his. Our cat put him in his place in the pecking order, however. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif