Know what kind of pup this is?

dummy · Sep 16, 2004

on the dining room floor What do you know, I was right. Once they're inside and fed and watered and....then the wife looks at you, aren't they cute?

A nice outside play area would make a nice TBN pictorial. If you need any more help, just let me know. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bird · Sep 16, 2004

Richard, I don't know what breed that pup is, would guess Samoyed like some other members have said, but whatever it is, that's a beautiful pup.

I've been learning something new about dogs the last day or so myself. My daughter has a pair of Maltese and she's been afraid that while she's at work, that little female Maltese would have her latest litter. Now I wouldn't have considered that anything to worry about, but my daughter's been telling me that it's not uncommon for a female Maltese to cut the umbilical cord too short and let a pup bleed to death or for the mother to accidentally pull the pup's innards out and kill it. So my daughter has been wanting me to keep an eye on the dog during the day. I told her I know nothing about midwifing for dogs; just a little experience with cows and goats.

Well, sure enough that little dog had her first pup of this litter just about the time my daughter walked in the door yesterday evening. First and second pups were taken care of just fine, but on the third one, the mother cut the cord too short and my daughter couldn't get the bleeding stopped, so I took a one hour old pup to the emergency animal clinic. The vet put in 3 tiny stitches and told me the mother would remove them in a few days. Well, she removed them overnight, but at least today all 4 pups and the mother are doing just fine.

I just went and checked the pups again. My wife loves those little dogs, but she's afraid to try to take one of the pups from the mother /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, so she can't really check them. I've tried, unsuccessfully, to tell her that little dog is not going to bite; she'll try to push my hand away with her nose, but never growls, snarls, or makes any attempt to bite anyone. And the only time she barks is when she wants to get your attention to play.

Richard · Sep 16, 2004

Update on the pups... (and boy, am I a sneak)

Seems since they are "thought" to be American Eskimos, a bell went off in my head. My partners wife has been wanting JUST THAT!! They have talked about driving out of state in their effort to find one. Seems she's even been looking in the papers.

Soooooooooo, what did I do today, but take both of them in with me /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I knew she'd be by later in the day. Well, they both fell in love with them and she picked one out qualifying that it depended on if their other dog (Great Pyranise) accepted it, I said no problem as I was prepared to keep them both.

She also took to vet right away. Her vet told her his opinion was, they (at least the one she had) were purebread American Eskimo's. It had worms, so the remaining one probably does too. He thought it was 6-8 months old as it is still, or just now finishing it's teething. (I noticed pink on both ends of chew toy that they both had one end of).

So, one down (and to a VERY good home... all kids gone and this will become another child)

One to go...

Stopped by bank, intentionally went to drive in window. Been going there 20 years so I "know" them sort of. While check was being cashed, I stuck this one to window and asked if anyone wanted pup... all the women gathered around and oogled. While they were watching, I held Violet (temporary name? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif ?) and made her paws wave at them... then I took her paw and made her rub her nose... all the women loved that.

One of them told me that the American Eskimo was her boyfriends favorite dog and they might be interested...

So, if she calls back in day or so, she's theres... if she does not call back... she's ours.

Violet (gads... does that infer ownership or what?) already has an appointment with MY vet on Saturday whether or not the gal at bank takes her.

Oh.. the vet that my partners wife took Blossom to (how's that for a name) said Blossom was very well cared for /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I heard that and told her "the irony that someone would take good care, only to dump them"

the vet was impressed that the dog didn't hunker down or shy away from people either. I informed her that they both DID until my wife (who's been doting on them daily) got ahold of them and just shared the love.

Am I a lucky guy or what?

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BigDave · Sep 16, 2004

Richard,

You are lucky.

I love to see a happy ending when it comes to our canine friends. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Junkman · Sep 17, 2004

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but my daughter's been telling me that it's not uncommon for a female Maltese to cut the umbilical cord too short and let a pup bleed to death or for the mother to accidentally pull the pup's innards out and kill it. ................................................
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I just went and checked the pups again. My wife loves those little dogs, but she's afraid to try to take one of the pups from the mother /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, so she can't really check them. I've tried, unsuccessfully, to tell her that little dog is not going to bite; she'll try to push my hand away with her nose, but never growls, snarls, or makes any attempt to bite anyone. And the only time she barks is when she wants to get your attention to play. )

I would just like to comment that only part of this is true. The mother might chew the cords too close, but they rarely bleed to death. I have never heard of them pulling the "innards" out. I always cut open the birth sack and cut the cord myself. The mother is usually busy with the others and doesn't get involved. She will eat the placenta and that is good for her. She will keep the pups close to her and if you get her used to you handling the pups, they will socialize better with humans. Most of my experience is with big dogs, but I have had a few litters of small pups in the past. One of the biggest problems with the toy breeds is the development of the head bones healing together. If I remember correctly, it take about 12 weeks before they fully knit together and the hole in the center closes. If the mother pulls on the umbilical cord when they are born, there is a possibility of an umbilical hernia. This can be repaired, but it is expensive many times. Give mom some cottage cheese for calcium and also won't hurt to get her on some dog vitamins. She will need almost double her normal food intake and water at all times. She will also need to go outside more often. If there is a particularly small pup, make sure that she feeds it, even if you have to take the others away for a short while. Just push them to the side and allow the littlest one to suckle a little longer. With 4, it shouldn't be a problems. There should be enough nipples to go around. When it comes time to wean them, contact me and I will give you my formula...
Time to start a new thread and post some pictures.. Junk...

Bird · Sep 17, 2004

( I have never heard of them pulling the "innards" out )

Me neither, until now.

( If the mother pulls on the umbilical cord when they are born, there is a possibility of an umbilical hernia )

I'm inclined to think that's what my daughter was talking about.

( cut the cord myself )

Which is what my daughter did with the fourth pup and said she should have been doing all along.

( get her used to you handling the pups, they will socialize better with humans )

Oh, they get handled plenty by my daughter, grandson, and me; just that my wife won't take one from the mother. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif This is the fourth litter this little dog has had.

The little ***** is a good mother and has never lost a pup. The first litter was 3 pups, then she had a single pup once (he was born unusually large and grew to be nearly as big as his mother and father together for reasons unknown), then 3 pups last time, and now 4.

( If there is a particularly small pup )

Of the 4, birth weight only varied from 5.7 to 5.9 ounces.

( When it comes time to wean them, contact me and I will give you my formula )

Might be interesting, but while messing with these little dogs is kinda new to me, it's not to my daughter. One of her best friends, and former next door neighbor, raises Maltese and then my daughter has also visited with a number of other breeders. She said all the breeders told her if the mother has the pups when you're not home, you're very likely to lose one or more, but as I said, for this little *****, this is the first time she's had any problem at all.

rtvman · Sep 28, 2004

Looks like a mixed breed to me /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. Samoyed close, but I doubt it. One thing you should check is if there is a tattoo on the belly or more likely the inner ear. A lot of pure breed dogs now get tattoo's which reference back to their registration number. UKC and AKC registered breeds (there are many others) have online databases your can cross reference this number to and maybe find the originating kennel. Cute pup though, I would keep if it has a good temperament. Good luck to you!