KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance

   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #11  
This dialog goes on and on. It all depends on the type of coverage you want. I doubt you will find an insurance policy other than KTAC that covers any and all damage incurred other than normal wear and tear, owner neglect, deliberate damage by the owner, or maintenance. Do like I did, lay the KTAC policy and the other such as homeowners and compare clause by clause and make your decision. If all you desire is loss by fire or theft at lowest price, KTAC is probably not for you. Just remember; insurance companies are not all created equal. Like everything else the lowest cost is not always the best deal. I have KTAC and extended after payoff. I had an $8000 casualty working in woods that a home owners insurance would not cover. I could not have paid that as I am not financially able to self-insure to that extent. I applaud you that can. Be happy reading all the fine print in those policies.

Ron
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #12  
I was denied KTAC at the time. Not sure if it was because the sale was complete before I asked, or if it was because I paid cash. The State Farm agent we had been using for over 20 years was less than helpful. He had nothing to offer and suggested I get tractor insurance elsewhere. After a few months of looking, shopping and comparing all our policies I went to a different company for everything. My coverage through Erie for NON-COMMERCIAL use of the tractors takes care of liability and loss on the small (under 21 HP) tractor at home and away. I have a separate policy through my agent for the L3200 that covers it home and away for liability and loss. I have $1M liability coverage. If I started a business and charged for services, things would be altogether different.
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #13  
The one thing that KRAC covers that I believe home owners or inland marine covers is mechanical damage. My dealer showed me a few tractors being covered that the other policies wouldn’t have covered. Also no depreciation
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #14  
I was just informed by KTAC that if my home owners insurance doesn't cover my tractor off of my property or on a trailer, I cannot do the 0% financing. Has anyone been told this before? I know many people that got the 0% and use home owners that do not cover off property or on a trailer. Is this new or was he telling me a story?

From what I have seen it seems if you finance through Kubota they normally require you purchase the KTAC insurance to protect their collateral. I purchased a Case Farmall 75C and opted for the CNH insurance but I can tell you the KTAC policy u get from Kubota is better (covers more). My policy added $37/mo to my financing but that is for a $58k tractor so I would assume the B2650 u are looking at would cost less for insurance although I was never given the cost of the KTAC when Kubota dealers quoted me on Grand L60 models to know for sure. How much is the KTAC going to cost u?
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #15  
I have never had the Kubota insurance but look at it very carefully. If like the one JD uses it covers more than a HO or Inland Marine will. At least those I have looked at and it has been few years since but I did sell P&C insurance for few years.
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #16  
Who has a policy other than KTAC that would cover the following $8,000 scenario 100% minus $250 deductible?

Working in the woods; trashed the HST cooling fan and did not know till I could smell hot oil several days latter when brush hogging, in several tight spots damaged some other panels when limbs fell, and dropped a 6" limb across the control panel smashing the engine cowling panels. Filed the claim and took to my dealer of choice. During the repairs they determined that the HST was damaged by overheating. All the repairs were made with no haggle and no questions. W/O KTAC I would have beat myself to replace the fan and leave all the rest go till a later date or sold as is to buy a new one. Came out same as new except paint didn't match. This was after payoff and had renewed the policy at $250 +/- per year. Added only the LP Roto Tiller and Brush Hog on the new contract. Will drop them next year.

Ron
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #17  
(homeowners insurance isn’t going to pay $40,000 for your tractor without you paying premium).
actually it will, though it sounds odd. If you have a 100k dwelling limit, you have 50k in contents, or usually 70k if you buy replacement cost coverage on contents. Every dime of that coverage would pay for your 50k tractor if your barn burned down with the tractor in it, as long as you didn't get involved in policy exclusions, like business use.

There is usually no limitation on a standard HO policy for valuation of equipment used to maintain the premises, i.e. a tractor.
Unless you have replacement cost coverage on contents, which is usually readily available on HO contents coverage, your biggest exposure on an older tractor is depreciation.
Homeowners policies are very restrictive as to damaging equipment you are using however. That's where, like Seabee says, you can have a huge uncovered claim on your homeowners in the wrong circumstances. If I went logging in the woods with a newer tractor, I sure would have the best coverage I could get. In fact if I thought I could roll my tractor at all (I live on pool table flat land) I would absolutely buy additional all risk coverage for it, be it KTAC, PAF (personal articles floater) or a commercial inland marine policy if business use is included at all.

Just remember, if you accept money for services or trade in kind, you aren't covered under your homeowners at all. The only business use usually allowed under a homeowners policy is an office in your home. Beyond that, if you farm, you need a Farmowners policy. Commercial operators are used to listing their equipment. They have to annually value it for financials, loans, etc.

Like many of us, had a long talk with my insurance agent and got him to put in writing that my tractor, and I, are fully covered per HO coverage, if I drive my tractor on the public roads while going "around the block" to the rear of my property, as I can't cut through the middle, pond and swamp. I was very worried being out on public roads and they came back and said if no commercial use, and you are only maintaining your premises (pretty flexible) I was covered while driving my tractors on the road. I wonder if they will cover them if I go on a joyride down the road with twenty other local tractors when the farming community goes for a community ride...

If I put my tractor on a trailer, no coverage whatsoever unless I buy it specifically.

I am a retired Travelers underwriter and agent, and spent a year of my life teaching these policies to trainees in Hartford.
The big print giveth.
The small print taketh away

Insurance is very competitive, and despite similarities due to regulation, there are sometimes little extra value added endorsements the companies tack on their policies,
like a free moonroof. Companies like Farm Bureau and others might have these little extras. Erie is a fine company btw.

One should buy insurance only for things you can't afford to pay for. That's a different threshold for all of us, and thankfully one can use higher deductibles to keep costs down.
But the "am I covered" question comes up in TBN constantly.
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #18  
good article duagen.

This was on my mind this morning and wish had gone into different answer and still will.

Make a list of what you want in coverage. Have a list for each company and write in their answers for it will get muddy. You probably will find a good bit is covered either with your homeowner plan or with inland marine added to it but is all you want or need covered there on any one policy?

Stolen
Fire from building stored in burns. Damage to it if the building collapses due to wind or snow or such.
Damage to the tractor because of something you do, cut tree on top of it. Roll it over. Implement comes loose and damages tractor (happened to me). Is there anything you use it for or may use it for that would not be covered. Cut neighbors yard due to their sickness, would it be covered? Or even your parents or child's.
Transporting it to dealer or any transporting (this might be covered with your truck insurance, you need to be sure if you will need it). As has been asked how about when on public road and that could be a yes for this and a no for that. You need to ask the details.

How about damage it does...it might be covered for say mowing your own lawn but not someone else's. You are in auto accident (this may be required in your state if on the road, here in SC we are not required to have this coverage but has paid off for me even though the pickup driver was making illegal pass).


I do not care where you get your coverage or the type of coverage you get, all have limits to it. If you have a fel know how it is covered and it's limit also. If you have any other implement you need to know (not saying you need that coverage) what if any coverage there is on it. One thing I will quickly say to avoid doing for a friend is spraying. Unless you have a commercial applicator's license and the insurance to cover that.
Ask if they cover transportation if the tractor has a covered damage and must be hauled.

A lender may be pleased with only the basic coverage of theft or fire but some will want coverage to pay for repair if an accident. Due to state laws and how some companies will vary with the difference in market in the states do not trust what an insurance company does in my state they will cover the same in your state.
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #19  
I went with a State Farm "Personal Articles" policy. Covers whatever I put on the policy for any damages up to the insured replacement cost AND it covers the insured items wherever they are. The tractor is on the policy and I can also add implements. This is like a catch all policy where you schedule the items to be insured. My agent said I could put anything on it including jewelery, coin collections, guns, etc.

I have the same thing with them. I asked my agent about how does SF establish a price. He said you post what you think it's worth when you list your items and they use Tractor Data.com for a general guideline on a claim. Works for me.
 
   / KTAC vs. Homeowners insurance #20  
Side question, if i were to buy a slightly used kubota say 2017 or 2018 from an individual, could the kubota insurance still be added some how
 

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