Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19%

   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #61  
Could be. I don't have a Kioti dealer within an hour of here and they don't attend the same trade shows we do. Its been years since I've seen a new one up close. Your supporting my point that I think it would be great if they published things like ROC, axle capacities... then you would know. Otherwise its just "that looks big" which we all know does not necessarily equal strength.

Not sure what ROC stands for. Googled it and found about two hundred definitions, none of which seemed to refer to mechanical engineering. What does ROC stand for?

Please clarify.
 
   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #63  
Do find it odd that to sell a tractor over 100hp in the State of Nebraska you must have it tested by the University of Nebraska. You cannot even claim the tractor that you own for tax exemption status unless it has passed the test and have a permit to be sold in the state so you cannot go buy your tractor of choice and bring it home with you.

Cannot find any info on Nebraska honoring other labs test results either.


So yes the Nebraska Test is used as a political tool to limit competition.

http://www.nda.nebraska.gov/regulations/wam/actw.pdf


David
 
   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #64  
Rated Operating Capacity. He put it in post #56
 
   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #65  
How do you get "INFLATED" market share by using number of units sold? From the replies to this thread you can tell who ones what brand by their replies. I have owned a lot of John Deere tractors over the years but they have shot themselves in the foot by not producing their own small tractors made in the United States. Also, they have forced many old, smaller dealers out of business and small rural areas. Instead of traveling 20-30 minutes to a dealer you now have to travel 2 hours to a dealer in my area.

"Inflated" isn't the right word. But, as some one who deals with market share data all day every day the point he is making is valid. The data is accurate (not inflated) but you can draw multiple conclusions. Here is an example of why "units" lead to a different conclusion than "dollars".
Company A sells 100 tractors at an average price of $100.
Company B sells 50 tractors at an average price of $1,000. (Because their tractors are either bigger or nicer or just more expensive because their brand can command it)
In this "market" there have been 150 unit sales. Company A sold 100 of them and therefore has 66% share of the market (100/150) based on units. Company B has 33% share of the market based on units. Those numbers are not "inflated" they are true. But they are only half the story.
If we look at the same market in terms of dollars: Company A did $10,000 worth of sales (100x$100). Company B did $50,000 worth of sales (50x$1,000). So now Company A has a 16% share of the market ($10,000/$60,000) based on dollars. Company B has a 83% share of the market ($50,000/$60,000).

It really isn't a commentary on the quality of either company's products or business results. If anything, it speaks more to their strategies and opportunities...
 
   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #67  
I second Dave's comment and welcome.
 
   / Kubota 47% -- John Deere 19% #68  
Lot of good info in this thread
 

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