Kubota 4701 cold weather issues

   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #1  

stephenh

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Rocky Mntns, CO
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Kubota L4701
Fewer than 20 hours on new tractor. Twice in the last two weeks, temperature outdoors below 20 F., after about fifteen minutes of operation, engine bogged down and I had to shut down the tractor. Second time this happened, temperature outside 14 F., red engine warning light came on. I immediately shut down and saw the code P3001 on the screen. Called dealer, service mgr. said that code means engine needs a regen. No regen lights came on, was unable to do a "parked regen." RPM up to 1700, engine temp. up half travel, so nice and warm. Svc mgr said under those conditions, I can"force" regen by pushing regen button. No deal. No lights come on, no regen happens. Yes, I've been operating tractor under automatic regen. Haven't seen any regen of any type yet. I realize it is a 17-hour engine, new, so I cannot imagine exhaust system would need a regen yet.

Also, several times, on cold days, billowing clouds of white exhaust, so dense once I could not see past the bucket. I realize white means fuel.

Thing is, I've researched this and written Kubota. Kubota is useless for answers, the dealership says they don't know, bring tractor in. They are 25 miles away, and I had to take it in after only five hours from new for a stuck hydraulic valve. Cost to have it taken in is $436 round-trip for the hauler. Obviously I'd like to avoid that again. [Kubota's warranty requires owner to provide own transportation, regardless of problem.]

I ran the tractor just fine this a.m. Kept the RPM up to at least 1500, and no trouble. Perhaps I need to always keep it up. However, the P3001 code never goes away. It flashes alternately with the total hours on the screen. Is there any way for me to get rid of that code myself? of does it require a technician, which means $436 to get rid of the code. Someone on YouTube said codes are deleted if you disconnect the battery, tried that and no joy.

I have had an L2350 and an L3000 in the past, with the old exhaust set-up, so I am new to this regen/anti-pollution system. Does anyone know the answer to the code issue?
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #2  
First, welcome to TBN.

These emission thingys require the tractors to be ran hard to keep them happy. Specially in cold weather.

I don't think 1700 RPMs is enough. You might need to ramp up around the 2000 RPMs range.

If you can, you can also try to road the tractor in high gear for a while to load the engine and get those temps up and maybe it will start regening.
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #3  
I'm not a mechanic, but your issue sure sounds like fuel gelling, or water contamination. There is a topic similar to your symptoms and error code over on Orange Tractor Talks, and they describe the code and that it can be caused by water contaminated fuel. They also give a method of resetting the code by the end user.
L3901 Error Codes (p3001) - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota
As far as "forcing a regen", that can only be done by the dealer while hooked up to the computer.
All machines require regens at different intervals due to a variety of factors, but the first regen is usually later than subsequent regens. My L4060 did its first at 72h, and averages 54h across 6 cycles.
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #4  
Sounds like you`ll have to run to the dealer to get the code removed.
Another thought, maybe one of the service guys could make a quick house call alot cheaper, just to delete the code. (?)

When you first start your tractor cold, i would run that throttle up over 2,000rpm`s, getter hot quick! Diesels dont like the cold!

Are you running any anti-gel additives with your fuel? Power Service brand is all i ever use, never a lick-a-trouble with cold starts, ever.
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #5  
I have an older regen unit and have to run a winter front to keep snow out and temp up. I keep it at 2000 rpm most of the time. If I exit the machine I either shut it off or leave it at 2000 rpms. I’m told to never let it idle as it builds up the crud in the dpf.
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #6  
I have similar tractor and WSM says P3301 says "emissions deterioration".

Running similar in similar temps I will guess its a combination of not following warm up procedure listed in owners manual and running way to low rpm's for cold weather. First guess is computer is likely seeing the pressures in the DPF deteriorating much to quickly than it should so its throwing codes at you. You saying "Kept the RPM up to at least 1500" is important piece of info. as at 1500 no way / no how will that tractor will make enough heat in summer to do a regen never mind winter! (second guess if you are using in very damp or snowy conditions a frozen PCV valvle can throw codes as well)

even if a person runs full front/side covers you will need to be 2,000 or more to make enough heat for the DPF to work properly. Warm up procedure extremely important as well for new tractors as just burning off moisture and drying electronics important.

I don't have the Diagnosis Manual for your tractor in front of me but if you ask your dealer how to perform a Mode "b" adjustment on your tractor this will remove the error code.
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues #7  
oh.... forgot you could also try this remove error code. Works alot of the time.
Mode "b" dash clear

- While holding down both DPF INHIBT switch and parked regeneration switch, turn key switch "ON" or "START" position.
- Mode selection display is indicated on the LCD.
- Press the parked regeneration switch and the mode indication on the LCD is changed.
- If "b" is indicated on the LCD, press the parked regeneration switch for more than 2 seconds.
- Error information Clear mode is selected and the expression "PUSH" is displayed.
- Press the parked regeneration switch for more than 2 seconds.
- The expression "OFF" is displayed.
- Turn off the key
 
   / Kubota 4701 cold weather issues
  • Thread Starter
#8  
Thanks, boakley, that worked just fine. Code's gone.
 

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