Kubota 7510hst VS Mahindra 2015HST

[Outlander]

2015 is not a Mahindra. It is a Mitsubishi MT200D. That is a good thing. Kubota is a lot aluminum and the Mitsu is a lot of cast iron. Check the weight difference. The Mitsu S3 engine is pretty much boilerplate. It powers many many generators throughout the world where generators are a way of life. Both are good tractors. If it's a keeper get the Mitsu. If it's a trader get the Kubota.

 

[IslandTractor]

I agree with the comments on resale. Nothing is going to out do the Kubota in that department. I don't even think small JDs hold their value as well but here in New England we don't see as many JDs for sale. People ask stupid prices for 15 year old Kubotas and presumably are successful. Mahindras and Kiotis don't hold even 10% of the market share that Kubota does so it is harder to say how well they will hold their value over time but they are certainly not being sold for fire sale prices like the Belarus or discredited brands. Still, if resale is the biggest consideration, you cannot go wrong by getting the Kubota.

My only gripe with the Kubota is that the company dumbs down the B7510/7610/7800 partly, IMHO, to make sure they don't compete with the more profitable B2630/3030. They have purposefully not updated those tractor designs or added features that are standard on literally every other tractor brand (e.g. position control) just to make sure they can upcharge for the B2630/3030 series. The only other downside, given the work you plan, is that the 7510 has a weaker loader by a fair amount than either the Mahindra, Kioti or TYM as well as being lighter than desirable for ground engaging work.

Bottom line: You really cannot make a bad mistake by choosing any of the tractors you are considering.

 

[art]

I agree with the comments on resale. Nothing is going to out do the Kubota in that department. I don't even think small JDs hold their value as well but here in New England we don't see as many JDs for sale. People ask stupid prices for 15 year old Kubotas and presumably are successful. Mahindras and Kiotis don't hold even 10% of the market share that Kubota does so it is harder to say how well they will hold their value over time but they are certainly not being sold for fire sale prices like the Belarus or discredited brands. Still, if resale is the biggest consideration, you cannot go wrong by getting the Kubota.

My only gripe with the Kubota is that the company dumbs down the B7510/7610/7800 partly, IMHO, to make sure they don't compete with the more profitable B2630/3030. They have purposefully not updated those tractor designs or added features that are standard on literally every other tractor brand (e.g. position control) just to make sure they can upcharge for the B2630/3030 series. The only other downside, given the work you plan, is that the 7510 has a weaker loader by a fair amount than either the Mahindra, Kioti or TYM as well as being lighter than desirable for ground engaging work.

Bottom line: You really cannot make a bad mistake by choosing any of the tractors you are considering.

There is no dumping down on the 7510 or 7610 tractors, the whole hitch system that you see in many of the kubota's is more like the large farm tractors use then the sixties version of hitches used on some economy chassis tractors today. The models they replaced had position control. Aluminum has become a metal used for most current model tractors in the farm field line-ups. Weight many farmers have found is actually an enemy for growing crops and the ability to add it where it is needed to ballast a tractor is more important than fuel wasting dead weight. The valving with the 1/4" valving is fine for many people when people take the time to learn how to operate it. We've had some success with it for different operations but when you are used to position control it can be harder to learn. I've seen a lot of loaders come in on used Kubota's and I haven't found them to broken or busted with just a few that that have tortured the bucket to the point of needing repair. Kubota is not a merchandising company that decided to buy a tractor from someone and put there name on it. They make sure that they have dealers and staff that are familier to their equipment and after sales is important to them, they are here today and they will be tommorrow, with the same name on them!

 

[IslandTractor]

There is no dumping down on the 7510 or 7610 tractors, the whole hitch system that you see in many of the kubota's is more like the large farm tractors use then the sixties version of hitches used on some economy chassis tractors today. The models they replaced had position control. Aluminum has become a metal used for most current model tractors in the farm field line-ups. Weight many farmers have found is actually an enemy for growing crops and the ability to add it where it is needed to ballast a tractor is more important than fuel wasting dead weight. The valving with the 1/4" valving is fine for many people when people take the time to learn how to operate it. We've had some success with it for different operations but when you are used to position control it can be harder to learn. I've seen a lot of loaders come in on used Kubota's and I haven't found them to broken or busted with just a few that that have tortured the bucket to the point of needing repair. Kubota is not a merchandising company that decided to buy a tractor from someone and put there name on it. They make sure that they have dealers and staff that are familier to their equipment and after sales is important to them, they are here today and they will be tommorrow, with the same name on them!

I wasn't "dumping down" on Kubota 7510/7610 tractors. They are popular and excellent machines. However, no one would choose quarter inching over position control and even if it is obviously possible to work with a quarter inching system, it has precisely zero advantages over a position control system which is why virtually all other tractors, inculding virutally all other Kubotas, have the position control. Tractor weight can be either a good or bad thing depending on how you use the machine. Yes, you can increase the weight on a light Kubota without much trouble by loading tires etc but then you lose the benefit of a light tractor for mowing. I see the light weight of the B series as an advantage for Kubota so long as mowing is the users primary mission. Otherwise, for ground engaging operations with CUTs (not big Ag tractors), the heavier CUTs have some advantage over the lighter B series equivalents. It is not a critical distinction in my mind however. Regarding the loaders: I did not mean to imply that the "weakness" of the Kubota FEL had to do with reliability or longevity, my point was that they don't lift as much as loaders on the Mahindra or Kiotis being compared to the 7510. Finally, Kubota does now do virtually all it's own manufacturing but keep in mind that one way that Kioti got into the tractor manufacuring business themselves was that they used to manufacture Kubota tractors for Kubota. JD and many other reputable companies outsource all or some manufacturing. That is really not a big deal in my opinion. FYI, I don't think Kioti's are outsourced at all (except for some higher horsepower Perkins engines).

 

[ChuckinNH]

Both loader lift capacity, and height are great things if the platform is stable enough to support it. Though the Kioti is heavier, it is still about the same footprint as the small Kubotas. I personally wouldn't want to get the stated maximum weight lifted to the maximum height on a CK20 for example, and then put any pressure on the side of the loader arms, or ROPS very high up. I'm certainly not knocking the Kioti, and it's one of the tractors I'm considering, but they all have limitations that are more real than advertising specs. Perhaps that is why the loader bucket on the CK20 is on the small side. Overall, I think that tractor is a powerful, and smooth little beast. I wish there were front mounted blades, and snowblowers available at a reasonable price....

 

[art]

I wasn't "dumping down" on Kubota 7510/7610 tractors. They are popular and excellent machines. However, no one would choose quarter inching over position control and even if it is obviously possible to work with a quarter inching system, it has precisely zero advantages over a position control system which is why virtually all other tractors, inculding virutally all other Kubotas, have the position control. Tractor weight can be either a good or bad thing depending on how you use the machine. Yes, you can increase the weight on a light Kubota without much trouble by loading tires etc but then you lose the benefit of a light tractor for mowing. I see the light weight of the B series as an advantage for Kubota so long as mowing is the users primary mission. Otherwise, for ground engaging operations with CUTs (not big Ag tractors), the heavier CUTs have some advantage over the lighter B series equivalents. It is not a critical distinction in my mind however. Regarding the loaders: I did not mean to imply that the "weakness" of the Kubota FEL had to do with reliability or longevity, my point was that they don't lift as much as loaders on the Mahindra or Kiotis being compared to the 7510. Finally, Kubota does now do virtually all it's own manufacturing but keep in mind that one way that Kioti got into the tractor manufacuring business themselves was that they used to manufacture Kubota tractors for Kubota. JD and many other reputable companies outsource all or some manufacturing. That is really not a big deal in my opinion. FYI, I don't think Kioti's are outsourced at all (except for some higher horsepower Perkins engines).

Don't want to knick pic to much but they used to build Kubota tractors? Don't think so!!!!! Grading with a position control is not a problem as the movements to grade are far more under control with the 1/4 inching valve then position control.

 

[IslandTractor]

Don't want to knick pic to much but they used to build Kubota tractors? Don't think so!!!!! Grading with a position control is not a problem as the movements to grade are far more under control with the 1/4 inching valve then position control.

I don't know exactly how to prove the point but am pretty sure that in the past Kubota had certain models manufactured by DaeDong which is the corporation that owns Kioti. Maybe some of the other TBN members know the history in more detail. The tractors share some interesting features besides color such as wheel patterns that might be holdovers from those days.

If grading and other ground engaging tasks are easier with quarter inching than with position control then why do all the Kubota deluxe tractors use position control?

 

[art]

Many of our ag customers are dumbfounded over the newer controls on the hitches on many of the new tractors for them. They to operate differently then the position control. The position control is only a guide as there are finite positions available to adjust to and if true detail is needed it is quite easy to use the quarter inching valve. New tractor design leaves the hydraulic cylinders to operate the three point external not in a big antiquated casting. New tractors use frames instead of cast to add rigidity to the chassis.

We've been here before nearly every year with the Kioti thing! Look into the past threads. I'd love to have a buck for every Kioti, bota that I've seen. They were told they are all the same, from the kioti dealer, right!!!!!!

When twenty years have past where will some of these brands be? Where will the service be, parts? With the compacts in general thirty years ago it was originally the thought that who would need a tractor under thirty horsepower? The farm industry was just getting larger and larger horsepower. Same introduced the first four wheel drive mass poroduced in 1951 at 35 horsepower and from there they grew.

 

[IslandTractor]

When twenty years have past where will some of these brands be?

Good point. That is exactly what the JD, Ford and Case dealers used to say about Kubota twenty years ago. It is also what GM, Ford and Chrysler dealers said about Toyota and Honda. Are you a dealer and if so is that your line when selling Kubotas against Mahindra, Kioti etc?

Brands like Mahindra have been around for well over twenty years and are going strong. Worldwide they probably make as many or more tractors than Kubota (where is Bob Skurka with the numbers when we need them?) The fact that a previously relatively unknown tractor maker, Kubota, made a big splash with CUTs in the USA twenty years ago does not prove they are the only company capable of making tractors that last 20 years or more. Kioti is newer but seems to be making tractors that work as well as the Kubotas. I'd certainly put my CK20 head to head against a 7510 on quality or performance anytime. I will concede that if I were to want to buy a tractor, use it for 50 or 100hrs and then sell it quickly, the Kubotas win. Name recognition is worth a lot in the used market. But that's actually a good reason for a shopper to look for the occasional used Mahindra, Kioti etc as you'll get a much better bang for your buck. I got my CK20 with 28hrs on the clock, with FEL and new BH for $15K. See what sort of tractor that amount will get you on the Kubota dealer's lot.

Lest this degenerate into a color war thing let me reiterate that I like Kubota's just fine. If I wanted a mowing machine I'd probably have stuck with Kubota all the way. I still lust after a B3030 cab when I'm eating dust on a hot day mowing. I'd be delighted to have a Grand L, any Grand L, in my barn. But I chose my CK20 over the B7510 because it was a better value and that was, as I have pointed out earlier, based on things like a more capable loader and position control that were not available on the 7510. The current CK20 also has a standard suspension seat that is not even an option on the 7510. Nothing wrong with the 7510 that Kubota could not fix if they chose to increase the value they give to customers. As it is they sell them on reputation and marketing power rather than any demonstrable superiority in capability or value when compared to Mahindra, Kioti, TYM and a few other perfectly excellent similar machines.

 

[DavesTractor]

Hello All

I need some help. I am just moving to 2 acres. The land is fairley flat and needs complete landscaping. I am anticipating a box blade and tiller. I am torn between the Kubota 7510 and Mahindra 2015. My local dealers haver quoted me and the Kubota is less than $700 more $$$ Is it worth the extra dough for the kubota? The Mahindra seems like more tractor. I need all of your help!!! I will be doing some rough mowing with the tractor but mostly landscaping and general work

Thank
You

The 1815HST is probably a better comparison in weight and size. It lifts 900 lbs in the front bucket (at the pivot pins) and is similar in size. I think it is less HP, but you wouldn't know it by using it. It is built by Mitsubishi in Japan. It has position control, etc.

Worldwide, Mahindra is supposed to be #3 in tractor sales behind John Deere and New Holland. In the USA, Kubota currently outsells Mahindra by a very wide margin.

Drive them both. Hook a box scraper up to each and see how smooth the three-point works. Scoop up a load of dirt, etc. Resale is very good on Mahindra in areas where they have a presence and a strong dealer. Those areas are getting more and more widespread.