Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems

   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #231  
The update was made to my unit about a year ago. No change! In fact it has gotten worse.
I have been reading this thread for quite a while and thinking about posting. I have a 3350 that is 1 year old and has 180 hours on it. I have had regen issues since day 1.

I have a JD 4115 for 15 years so that is my baseline when comparing to the Kubota. Other than some minor issues and a transmission leak that was relatively easy to fix, the 4115 has run great for me. Excellent on fuel and can be run at low, mid to high rpm's without issue.

Not the case on the 3350. I discovered very early on to run the 3350 at full throttle or the regen will occur very frequently. With normal running, the tractor will regen at least every 10 hours or less. At times the regen light will be on for 20-30 minutes while running at full rpm. If I have to shut the tractor off for some reason, like parking it because I am done with it, it will stay in regen mode when it is started again. The light will stay lit for another 20-30 minutes at full throttle when started.

I have actually gotten to the point that I will let it run at full throttle while loading/unloading the bucket with firewood with the hope that it completes the regen.

Even with all this, it will randomly go into a parked regen where the regen light will flash and beep. The machine will literally be unusable for 30-45 minutes. It will progressively run up to full throttle and stay there. I realize this is the normal process for a parked regen, but this is after the machine has already been showing it is in regen mode for 20-30 minutes.

This is where it sometimes gets really crazy. The machine will randomly shut down or die while going through a parked regen. When I say shut down or die I mean shut down or die. The machine will not respond to anything. It won't start, it won't even turn over. It's like when a thermal cutout kicks in. The heat 'guage' shows 3 bars which is the same as normal but it is as if it has overheated. It is usually at least a 30 minute wait until it will start. When it starts it will go through another parked regen. This has happened at least 5 or 5 times with one occasion where it actually went through 3 parked regens. Do I need to say this is a huge time killer?

I had the dealer out for the 50 hour service (the machine had already had this occur once or twice) and the tech basically told me my machine had all updates and this is an issue kubota basically has no fix for.

Before I bought the 3350 I knew there were issues with the dpf, but knew of the updates and confirmed they were all done to the unit I bought.

I am well aware of the tier 4 diesel emissions as I run an Isuzu diesel in my business and have spent $9k on the filter and associated parts to repair it.

This was purchased as a business unit for maintaining a warehouse location near my residence and it is really not performing well. If I depended on this to make me money I think I would have driven it through the dealers showroom window at this point.

Since it was a commercial purchase, it only has a 1 year warranty which is due the end of January. I am going to be contacting the dealer about the issue and if need be will continue the warranty until this is resolved.

As of now, everyone that would use it refuses to do so. Coming from the 4115 that was basically start, let idle for a minute or two and drive, this unit with lights, beeps, can't operate at 1/2 throttle, etc I can understand why. They don't understand the entire dpf system and to be honest, it is a little confusing to me and I understand diesel exhaust systems fairly well. The kubota system is confusing when it works which makes it hard to know if it isn't working properly.

On top of this, the issue that occurs now is the machine will shut off when you move it forward or reverse. I think there is a safety interlock problem somewhere in the transmission. It is way worse in cold weather, but gets better as the machine or outside temperature increases.

I know this is a long post, but I figured I would post it now since I will be contacting the dealer in the next week or so.

Mike
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #232  
Mike,

Can't speak to all your post . . but one thing, you do not have to keep it at full throttle. If you are already in an operating regen, then 2000 or above will do. If you are operating the tractor for just a short while, you know that will be the case and don't want it to regen, then push the far right button to disable auto-regen for that short use. No big deal . . . though I agree, the whole DPF thing is garbage on a small tractor like this.

Mine averages about 13 hours between regens. It's a 2013 with all the updates and about 450 hours on it now.
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #233  
Mike,

Can't speak to all your post . . but one thing, you do not have to keep it at full throttle. If you are already in an operating regen, then 2000 or above will do. If you are operating the tractor for just a short while, you know that will be the case and don't want it to regen, then push the far right button to disable auto-regen for that short use. No big deal . . . though I agree, the whole DPF thing is garbage on a small tractor like this.

Mine averages about 13 hours between regens. It's a 2013 with all the updates and about 450 hours on it now.

Bumperm,

I don't even bother hitting the cancel regen button anymore. I did that at first to cancel regens if i wanted to park it and that is when I first discovered the parked regen issue. Cancelling the regen or turning it off is the same thing as far as the ecm is concerned. The regen is not completed and it will attempt to regen at the next time the operating temp is achieved.

I think one of the issues is short operational runs or lower rpm operation. In the summer when I mow 5 acres of grass every week, it seems to work okay. It is burning off the solids in the DPF efficiently. But then when I am operating the backhoe or just not running a long time and don't want to run at high rpm's, the issue is more prevalent. It can't get a full burn of the solids and then requires a longer regen. If the regen is cancelled or the tractor is shut down before the regen completes, the ecm wants to do the regen the next time the tractor is at operating temperature. A couple of these events and the parked regen is required. That is when the other issues show up.

In any event, even with the operational conditions I explained, the system has to be able to compensate.

Mike
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #234  
Mike,

I may have not explained myself well. When I said, "If you are operating the tractor for just a short while, you know that will be the case and don't want it to regen, then push the far right button to disable auto-regen for that short use." What I am meaning is the push the regen disable button right after you start up IF you are only going to be running the tractor for a few minutes. This avoids the situation where a regen starts, and then you shut it down before the regen is finished.

Manually disabling the regen function does no allow a regen to even start in the first place. Unless I know I'm just running for a few minutes, I leave auto-regen enabled (don't push the button) and make sure I am operating at 2000 rpm or above. Don't have to be at full throttle to have auto-regen work properly, at or above 2000. Backhoe works fine at 2000 as well.

I personally don't find "parked regen" to be particularly convenient. The biggest problem is you have to keep an eye on it as when it finishes, it'll drop the speed down to an idle and just sit there loading up the DPF again - - well, inasmuch as low speed ops do that anyway. Parked regen should shut down the engine after a suitable turbo cool-down period.

If I know I'll be idling the engine for awhile, more than a few minutes, I'll give the turbo 30 seconds to cool at an idle and then shut it down instead of running at low speed. The B3350 is not convenient in all those regards, I agree, and if I was doing it again, I'd probably opt for the 2650, except I live in the high desert and I wanted the extra power the turbo provides. All in all, the B3350 has worked okay, but live and learn.
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #235  
Went out to blow some snow today and thought about regens and had the feeling it was impending.
I was right....worked great as usual. My 3350 was upgraded and I've had no problems because my dealer did everything they were supposed to. The dealer told me that the parts were over 1100 USD. Wondering if the folks who were upgraded and are still having problems may have dealers that didn't use all the parts? Just a thought.
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #236  
Sandyc,

Wish we had some snow . . . this has been the first year since I moved to NV that we didn't have a white Christmas. Given what's happened to you guys on the E. coast, I guess I should keep my mouth shut and quit complaining!! Still, I'm missing the snow and my tractor, w/ front mount blower mounted, hasn't been used in a month.
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #237  
Trade you snow and the minus 22 we had the other day!
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #238  
Trade you snow and the minus 22 we had the other day!

A kind and considerate offer, but I'm going to have to think about that and get back to you.

Umm . . . pass.

We get into the single digits, but they are mostly positive. You can KEEP that cold, thank you very much - - but if you can spare a bit of snow . . .
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #239  
Went out to blow some snow today and thought about regens and had the feeling it was impending.
I was right....worked great as usual. My 3350 was upgraded and I've had no problems because my dealer did everything they were supposed to. The dealer told me that the parts were over 1100 USD. Wondering if the folks who were upgraded and are still having problems may have dealers that didn't use all the parts? Just a thought.

I am looking for a used tractor about the size of the Kubota B3350, I will buy the best deal I can find, I have seen a few used Kubota B3350's not sounding like a bad price. How do I know if it had the $1100. upgrade? One thread stated that dealers won't even sell the 3350. Would anyone recommend buying a used 3350? Thanks for any help.
 
   / Kubota B3350 tractor regeneration problems #240  
Went out to blow some snow today and thought about regens and had the feeling it was impending.
I was right....worked great as usual. My 3350 was upgraded and I've had no problems because my dealer did everything they were supposed to. The dealer told me that the parts were over 1100 USD. Wondering if the folks who were upgraded and are still having problems may have dealers that didn't use all the parts? Just a thought.

Sandy, not sure. What year is yours and do you know what parts were replaced? Bought mine November of '13. When I had the last update, I talked with them about what they did - not much, BTW, besides programming. They said some needed a larger alternator and they said that didn't apply to mine?? Oh well.
 

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