Can you explain this?
Comparison kubota BX vs my Massey GC1715 . . . what have I learned
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Can you explain this?
4570Man
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In an apples to apples comparison a scout will never get better traction and out maneuver a skid steer. I would be surprised if a scout could push harder than a walk behind skid steer. A decent sized SS will push drastically harder than a scout.
jenkinsph
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Your opinion seems to disagree with quite a few who want to always recommend small to mid size cuts to plow driveways and they always say a scut like mine is too small for the job of plowing snow (much less 15 to 24 inches of snow).
I know a larger apartment owner who has seen what mine does and is considering using one just like it instead of their skidsteer because it has much better traction and a far better way of moving snow away from the pile buildup. It can get into locations the skidsteer and 2. 3/4 ton pickups with plows can't get too also and it can replace a big lawn mower with snowblower on it also.
Lots of viewpoints and opinions on what makes a good snow warrior
I only had to clear three residential driveways and a cull de sac all asphalt. These three customers all live on this street so the x749 was the easy choice for this job as I live about 16 miles away. The small trailer and mower are an easy pull with my pick up that I had chained up. All I used was the mower and a 5' rear blade Countyline (cheap), this blade is light enough it doesn't damage the asphalt. No tire chains on the mower or added weights just the 4x4 and hdap tires. We looked at it today and think it was about 9,000 sf total area so fairly small.
For larger jobs over rough terrain I would recommend a larger cab tractor with a hot cup of coffee. Much more pleasant experience and would note that the approximate 5 miles of roads I cleared with the 4520 took a little less time and I was comfortable too. I mention this because your posts about the abilities of subcompacts indicate how impressed with them you are. Recognize that a similar yet larger version compact or utility tractor has similar abilities at a much larger scale.
About the skid steer, while they perform well I don't care for the skidding of the tires on my jobsites. In their defense I would say that you can do a tremendous amount of work with them. They will out maneuver my garden tractor which in turn out maneuvers any subcut. The skidsteer will out pull a garden tractor or subcut with ease and load them in a dumpster. Don't kid yourself.
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AxleHub
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I can't comment on your experiences . . Ut in mine the friend's sk8dsteer in their parking lot is considerably hi dered compared to my scut. The SS is heavy so it can't go on any of the lawns areas without damaging them . . mine does it easily. Their SS has a tough time with ice because its tires are close together and hard . . So they spin. Their bucket can pick up two or three times what mine can but it can't reach over the parking barrier to get the snow out the the marking lot area. Also their SS bucket has some points on the bottom that mar or damage the blacktop while mine doesn't. Their SS can't do sidewalks because the bucket is too big while mine does them well. As I described before . . this is a good sized operation and all the flat and ooen parking spaces are plowed by 2 3/4 ton trucks with v- plows. I had no difficulty pushing or picking up full buckets and then pushing it 10 or 15 feet into the lawn with no damage to the lawn. Their SS can't do it without destroying the lawn. In a head to head comparison on slippery blacktop . . . the SS had great difficulty turning/skidding accurately without sliding. while my scut without chains could do it easily. A bigger tractor also is not the answer because the 3/4 ton trucks do all the big flat areas. A big tractor could lift the snow up and reach a little further than mine . . but it can't go on lawns and can't fit on the sidewalks and its turning radius is much larger.
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So why doesn't your friend get some better tires for snow? It also sounds like he needs a snow pusher for doing the parking lot, and a narrow pusher or bucket for the sidewalks. The SS may also need a better operator.
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AxleHub
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Knowing now how to engage my fel float allows me to set my bucket at the angle of extension/curl and the have it follow the surface contour (instead of how I was plowing snow with my bucket manually adjusting for the constant contour changes.
AND neither the manual or you tube videos showed that my bucket angle (extension/curl could be adjusted as desired while in the float mode.
Do you just plow with the loader?
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AxleHub
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1. They got better tires for snow . . But my scut is much better on ice or glazed snow than is their SS.
2. The problem is not getting the snow to the edges of the psrking lots. The problem is getting the snow over the tops of the snow banks or getting it set back from the parking areas by 10 or 20 feet.
3. Same is true for sidewalks . . anything can push snow for 4 foit sidewaljs . . But very few things can then pick the snow uo to dump it over the 4 or 5 foit high piles. Mine did that without lawn damage.
4. "Getting a better operatir" . . Well each of them have 20 years SS experience and me with my little scut could do what they couldn't. I'm ok on a SS but not even close to their ability. They also mentioned a couple years ago they had rented a scut one time . . But it couldn't do the same things mine did.
jenkinsph
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Axle, just keep sitting in that seat. Keep pulling those levers and turning those knobs you will get the hang of it. That is how you get experience.