Kubota engine cooling problems

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BMXER10

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My g5200h is acting up again. I just changed the oil, tranny fluid, and all filters including air filter.

I changed the radiator fluid to a 50/50 mix and also added water watter. The tractor slowly heats up until its overheated. The radiator fins are clean on the outside, & the fan is spinning fine.

Could this be the thermostat or the water pump? Could I test both of these things at the same time by taking the cap off the radiator and letting it heat up to see if its flowing?
 
/ Kubota engine cooling problems #2  
Get a couple buckets and a garden hose...

Pull the top hose off the radiator and aim over to the bucket.. start her up..

See what you get.

Soundguy
 
/ Kubota engine cooling problems #3  
what happens when you let it idle for say 30 min?

does it heat up?


id vote for thermostat
 
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BMXER10 said:
My g5200h is acting up again. I just changed the oil, tranny fluid, and all filters including air filter.

I changed the radiator fluid to a 50/50 mix and also added water watter. The tractor slowly heats up until its overheated. The radiator fins are clean on the outside, & the fan is spinning fine.

Try looking through the radiator fins with a flashlight.
 
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Water pump failure is usually the shaft seal and bearing failing allowing water to leak to the outside. Chances are your water pump is fine if there are no leaks.

The fan belt may be loose allowing the fan or pump to slip.

The radiator has to be clean outside and on the inside. Sometimes they have to flushed properly to get rid of internal debris.

A hose may be old and collapse thus not allowing water to circulate.

The thermostat can fail. Remove and place in boiling water to see if it will open.

Radiator cap may not retain sufficient pressure for proper cooling.

There may be an internal exhaust leak into the cooling water system which will cause overheating.

And ???
 
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Egon said:
Water pump failure is usually the shaft seal and bearing failing allowing water to leak to the outside. Chances are your water pump is fine if there are no leaks.

I had a 3.0 V6 Ford engine in which the fins of the impeller corroded away, leaving it just a whirling disk. Didn't leak to the outside but caused all kinds of cooling problems.

If you can rule out the water pump and thermostat, I would check the radiator. It may be clogged up internally.
 
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I'd start with cleaning the three outside air grills that are between you knees as you sit on the tractor. Use soap and water and a nylon brush. The grills should be Kubota orange not black.
Blow out the area between the grills and the radiator.
Try cleaning the fan blades too. They get built up with crud. They should be a nice nylon white color.
Edon brought a good point about the radiator cap and pressure. Check the rubber seal on the backside of the cap it maybe all puffed up.
How many hours does your tractor have on it now?
My G6200 is past 1500 hrs now.
Don't let this problem get the best of ya.
Their great lawn tractors.
 
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my money is still on the radiator. they may look clean but are still partly blocked. soak it with degreaser and then hose it out. make sure water flows through it all over the core. the hard to get to places sometimes get missed. especially the corners. i have also seen oil and exhaust soot build up on the fins, you could still see light through the core but it was really fairly blocked.
also the one issue no one has mentioned yet is overloading. how hard are you pushing this machine. dont say same as always either because as a engine gets older it may drop a hp or 2 and it can suddenly be overloaded doing what it did before. to rule this out try when working normally to go just a touch quicker. if it handles it without dying down it is not overloaded. simple hey. i had this once with a guy who flatly refused to mow his block in low because it always did it in high. it went on for ages:confused:
 
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I went to install the new thermostat and surprise surprise there wasnt one in there at all. I was told this could be the problem because the water doesnt stay in the radiator long enough to cool it. Is this true? It ran a click cooler on the temp gauge now, but I ran out of grass to mow before I could run it as long as I usually do.
 
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BMXER10 said:
I went to install the new thermostat and surprise surprise there wasnt one in there at all. I was told this could be the problem because the water doesnt stay in the radiator long enough to cool it. Is this true? It ran a click cooler on the temp gauge now, but I ran out of grass to mow before I could run it as long as I usually do.

But, from a troubleshooting standpoint, it doesn't explain why NOW it is overheating? Still has to be something else affecting it, as the assumption is that it has been operated without a thermostat since, well, for a while?

It's likely that the thermostat issue played a part.

Back to things like belt tension and radiator cleaning?

Also, if it's only happening when mowing, does the mowing deck or PTO have a problem which is creating a larger-than-normal load on the engine? example: siezing spindle, overtightened deck belt, grass clogged underneath?

Any of these types of problems could be loading the machine to the point of overheating.

I'd suggest giving it a visual all the way around, including underneath the mower deck.

Once you have proven the water-pump as good, I might consider a full flush of the cooling system and use a "wetting" agent along with your mix. Sometimes 50/50 is not what the maufacturer calls for, just check the manual to be sure.
Sometimes they will recommend various ratios for extremely hot or cold weather.

That's all I can offer at the moment.
 
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BMXER10 said:
I went to install the new thermostat and surprise surprise there wasnt one in there at all. I was told this could be the problem because the water doesnt stay in the radiator long enough to cool it. Is this true? It ran a click cooler on the temp gauge now, but I ran out of grass to mow before I could run it as long as I usually do.

I'm taking it you bought this tractor used. Sounds like the previous owner had the same problem and tried a quick fix. Don't know that to be the case cause they ain't much info here. Another thing is are you for sure it's over heating? Could be a bad gauge.

Thermostats in an engine are basically like the one on the wall in your house. When the engine is first started it stays closed until the engine reaches operating temperature. Once it goes above that it will open slightly to let the water circulate. If it warms up more the thermo opens up more, until it's wide open. Once it's wide open is when the design of the cooling system kicks in.
 
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SkunkWerX said:
But, from a troubleshooting standpoint, it doesn't explain why NOW it is overheating? Still has to be something else affecting it, as the assumption is that it has been operated without a thermostat since, well, for a while?

It's likely that the thermostat issue played a part.

Back to things like belt tension and radiator cleaning?

Also, if it's only happening when mowing, does the mowing deck or PTO have a problem which is creating a larger-than-normal load on the engine? example: siezing spindle, overtightened deck belt, grass clogged underneath?

Any of these types of problems could be loading the machine to the point of overheating.

I'd suggest giving it a visual all the way around, including underneath the mower deck.

Since I bought it used a few months ago it has always run a bit hot. But the high humidy and temps here in Oklahoma are pushing it near the red. I was told by the previous owner that it ran hot since he bought it.

The deck definitely isnt putting a heavy load on the mower. I cleaned and regreased all of it last week, including more gear oil. The blades spun fine as well as the ujoint that connects to it.

I wont be mowing again until sunday and well see what happens.
 
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BillyP said:
I'm taking it you bought this tractor used. Sounds like the previous owner had the same problem and tried a quick fix. Don't know that to be the case cause they ain't much info here. Another thing is are you for sure it's over heating? Could be a bad gauge.

Thermostats in an engine are basically like the one on the wall in your house. When the engine is first started it stays closed until the engine reaches operating temperature. Once it goes above that it will open slightly to let the water circulate. If it warms up more the thermo opens up more, until it's wide open. Once it's wide open is when the design of the cooling system kicks in.

The gauge is definitely working because last time it nearly overheated I turned it off and could hear the radiator fluid boiling in the radiator.
 
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I don't know about your particular case, but if you get moving water past the radiator cap, which means the pump is working, and you can see thru the fins with a flashlight, then you have narrowed the problem quite a bit.
I married into a 1978 Chevette. Wife bought it new. I made the mistake of taking it on a road trip and got 100 miles from home and the thermostat went out. I took it out, and pitched it. Car would build up temp and then overheat on me, but with the wife, it would just go to full overheat right away.
Turns out the water was going thru the radiator too fast for it to cool. I couldn't find a thermostat, so I made a quick restrictor plate and that got me home. Auto parts stores aren't open in the middle of nowhere on holidays.The trip out was meserable to say the least. New thermostat fixed the problem when I finally got one.
David from jax
 
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It takes a LOT to overheat my Kubota. I was doing some heavy brush clearing and the screen before the radiator was completely blocked, and only then did it start to overheat.

If the thermostat doesn’t do it then take it to a local radiator shop for a good flushing and radiator rod out. They will remove the radiator and dip it in cleaning solvent clean out the rods and flush your block - should not cost a whole lot.
 
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Kendall69 said:
It takes a LOT to overheat my Kubota. I was doing some heavy brush clearing and the screen before the radiator was completely blocked, and only then did it start to overheat.

If the thermostat doesn’t do it then take it to a local radiator shop for a good flushing and radiator rod out. They will remove the radiator and dip it in cleaning solvent clean out the rods and flush your block - should not cost a whole lot.

Thats not a bad idea if the new thermostat doesnt work. I think this mowers around 17 years old, currently at 1300 hours. I was digging around for a new gas mower from lowes when I ran across this thing on craigslist for $600. Besides a few problems here and there its been pretty decent.
 
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BMXER10 said:
Since I bought it used a few months ago it has always run a bit hot. But the high humidy and temps here in Oklahoma are pushing it near the red. I was told by the previous owner that it ran hot since he bought it.

The deck definitely isnt putting a heavy load on the mower. I cleaned and regreased all of it last week, including more gear oil. The blades spun fine as well as the ujoint that connects to it.

I wont be mowing again until sunday and well see what happens.


OK gotcha, now we know some of the background, so, we can assume as someone already did, that the previous owner took out the stat.

True, when the humidity kicks in, it is tougher to cool something. Actually a bit of HVAC theory, you really don't cool anything, you remove heat from it.
So, in your case, your cooling system is supposed to be removing the heat, but is failing to do so adequately.

-First, double check that engine belt, they can appear tight enough, but if it is old, it can actually be glazed and slipping at high RPM. If in doubt, replace it, it's too easy and cheap, and is a regular wear item anyway. My Ford 1210 did this, it was the belt, in good condition, but stretched to it's max adjustment point, although touching it felt like it was tight enough.

-Also, give the fan a look over, is it plastic? is it slipping on it's fixture?
Does it look like the right size? With engine off, grab it and see if it slips, or is tight.

-Next , I'd prove you have water flowing, ie; fully operational water pump and do a complete exterior radiator cleaning. As has been suggested before, degreaser, cleaner, toothbrush, whatever it takes to get the exterior radiator fins good and clean, on both sides.

-Check for a hidden/clogged removeable/secondary screen?

-A radiator cap that doesn't seal all the way will lower your boiling point, so, consider replacing the cap if there is any sign of a bad seal.

-Find out if 50/50 is the right ratio for summer use?
I just checked my Kubota manual, it states "the antifreeze mixing ratio must be less than 50%"
If you use 40% anti-freeze mix, your freezing point will still be about -12°F

-If all appears OK, I would get a cooling system Flush product at my local AutoParts store, follow the directions and do a complete flush and fill and stay lower than a 50% ratio, ... try 40% anti-freeze 60% water.
Flushing and changing coolant is just another Routine Maintenance item that should be done , mine calls for every 2 years.

Good Luck, when you find the problem and fix it, you will be smarter!
happens every time. let us know!

Edit: I just re-read and saw 1300 hours, yes, Flush that thing out, I bet you get gunk out of it.
While flushing you can do the water pump test, too.
 
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Well, i mowed yesterday and it overheated again. This time the weather was pretty nice and the grass wasnt even tall, so the mower wasnt pushed hard. Back to square one. I printed off everyones suggestions and im going to work my way down the list.

-The thermostats installed, radiator partially drained and filled up with more water to get the % of antifreeze back down to 30% or so.

-The fan and belts are in excellent shape and tight so theres definitely no slipping.

My next step is to get the radiator cleaned at a radiator shop.

The previous owner told me he always had cooling problems, but Im not sure he was totally clear on how bad it was. He told me he was planning on moving the battery because it sits directly behind the radiator and doesnt allow much airflow. I attached pics!

DSCN1825.JPG


You can see the radiators overflowing!

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This is s silly one, but is the fan on the correct way? It should pull from the battery side and push out to the engine. Also, is the fan direct bolted so it will spin with the engine or is it on a clutch? (You would be able to spin the fan blade with the engine off) If a clutch it could be bad.

jb
 

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