Kubota-Kioti (the burning question...)

[Dmace]

The only other posibility is maybe it is a typo on the website, b/c 1.18" cylinders are tiny. The rod on my cylinders is that big, so now I am wondering if they gave the rod dia. instead of cyl diameter. If that is the case, it all makes sense now.

That makes sense since the KL130 (CK30 loader) is rated at 1155lbs with the lift cylinders listed as 1.75" and 2000psi relief. I won't disagree that their are some typos on the site. It is roughly translated from Korean.

And to be fair to JD you quoted the loader on a 2305 which rins a much lower psi. Same loader on the 2320 will do 800lbs at the pins.

I quoted the 2305 loader because that is the machine he was comparing to the Kioti.

Looking at the JD2305, Kubota BX2660, Kioti ck20 ck25, Massey 2400

 

[LD1]

The more I think about it, it definatally has to be a typo. 1.18" is very very small. The rod would have to be like 5/8" to 3/4 " and with a 21" cylinder and 1000lbs, that would bend like a coat hanger.

It's probabally supposed to be like 1.58", which would put it at a 40mm cylinder, which is pretty common.

Their is no doubt that most specs on all of the machines are under-rated. Just a sort of saftey margin for the MFG. They want to post a spec that they know all the mass produced units will be able to meet, regardless of minor psi differences between tractors.

My LA463 says it can lift 853 Lbs at the bucket edge. I have loaded and unloaded 2 ibeams off my trailer that were 29' long @35lb per FT. Which is 1015 lbs. I did this with the forks in the bucket and the beam laying down. 12" beam puts the load center 6" in front of the bucket, and I had no problems at all moving them.

 

[LD1]

I don't consider myself brand biased, but when it comes to specs, I think everyone puts too much stock in numbers. Yea they are a good refrence point, but mfgs can fudge numbers, and they do. (see examples above)

Kubota is typically on the lowerside of the specs when compared to others, but after having my tractor for 3 years now, the tractor has done everything I have asked it to. The 3ph will lift 1500lbs @24". Not as much as kioti or some others, but seriously, who needs more than that? The loader may not be the most powerful in it's class, but I have yet to find myself wanting more. Even with digging out stumps and the 750lb bushhog hanging way out back and loaded tires, I run out of ballast well before the loader runs out of power.

I have nothing against kioti or mahindra, or JD, or any other brand for that matter. In fact I looked real hard at the kioti's and mahindras. But on the flip side, I have nothing to be gained if I sell you on a kubota. Likewise, Not many on here that try to sell you on kioti have anything to be gained either.

rioravioli:
All I can say is try out the tractors. Get Quotes. Haggle a little bit. And buy the one you like. Take all the capacities and specs with a grain of salt. If you buy From one of the big MFGS (JD, CNH, Kubota, Kubota, Mahindra, etc. etc.) and from a good dealer, I can assure you that you will be happy. No tractor is perfect, It doesn't matter which one you buy, you will think their are things that could be better. And they all break, hence buying from a good dealer.

Personally I wasn't hung up on the kioti and all their "standard features". I was looking for an economy line tractor, not because of cost, but because of simplicity. I didn't need/or want all the extra gadgets that I wouldn't use, it's just more things to go wrong. I grew up on a 8n, so even a 3400 seems like a luxury car with more features than I need.

 

[Reg]

Am new to this forum and in similar situation as many before me (sorry). JD compacts seem to sell on the name (which is the only thing American about them). My experience with JD garden equipment/tractors is they really price up the parts/service. A friend with a fleet of JD compacts has had nothing but problems with his last. I know of nobody unhappy with a Kubota. Just yesterday I visited a Kioti dealer. Seems like a great dealer/shop. I am impressed with the Kioti looking specifically at the CK30 and 35 in manual and HST. Right now I have a Ford 2N and tired of babying it and nickel-diming. Like the frame, though.

Will keep and use present implements... single share plow, 5' bush hog, 5+' 3 pt disk, rear bucket scoop, 6' York rake, 6' rear blade, post hole auger. Want to add FEL, backhoe, tiller and new mower deck.

Have never used HST..... would like to hear about strong preferences one way or another. Any major disadvantages either way? HST does look like an easy rig.

The overall features of Kioti seem as good and better than Kubota. Like quick disconnect loader bucket. Backhoe seems like a good mount system. I think I prefer the LandPride affiliation that Kubota has, though. Kioti does not offer a reverse rotation tiller...only forward. Anyone out there can vouch for the Kioti implements?

I especially like the ruggedness of the Kioti CKs...axle housings seem much better made cast. Overall tractor is about 50% heavier.

Both kubota and Kioti offer front weights. Only Kubota has a ballast box...would like to consider that rather than filling tires.

Anyone strongly prefer Ag or industrial tires? I garden 2 -3 acres of produce curently. Will use new tractor for grass mowing as JD garden tractor is done for. Don't want to be too harsh on turf but concerned that industrial treads will fill up too easily in loose/wet soil. On the other hand, I treat a lawn as a utility rather than a place to use $K on chemicals...I'd rather eat my dandelions than poison everything.

What about belly vs. rear hitch mower deck? 30 vs. 35 HP?

Yeah...this is loaded with questons and I can probably spend all day researching other posts.

Would appreciate any input!! Ag....

My first suggestion to you is that you just read the WHOLE FORUM.
I cannot see a question in your post that has not been answered several times and it will be a lot quicker for you to do specific searches on each question than for us to re-type the answers.

My second comment is that I would not select a tractor by brand name on the basis of whether or not they offer a particular implement - in painted to match "style".

In the 30/35 HP range I would guess (Yes, GUESS) that you could run a slightly wider forward rotation tiller than same/similar reverse rotation tiller.
Get specs and HP recommendations to confirm/confound my guess, but if I am right it could be the difference between covering your wheel tracks vs not.

The tire choice discussions (dis'ing and cuss'ing) will continue, but my suggestion is BOTH.
Compared to the total cost of a tractor a set of alternative tires and rims is small and the time to bargain for them is when you have $xyK dangled in front of the dealer.
R4s vs Ags ? The R4s can typically take a LOT more ballast liquid and put the weight down on a wider patch, so for ground engaging work a) it isn't necessarily true that Ags grab better and b) R4s probably lead to less compaction.
I have loaded R4s and unloaded turfs, I might just get a set of Ags at some point, they are the cheapest of the three and I suspect that they get "take offs" at the dealers when customers decide they want R4s - another GUESS.

I won't get into the choice between shades of orange.

 

[Reg]

This article seems to indicate that my guess/assumption about forward vs reverse rotation tillers was incorrect.
Effect of rotation direction of a rotary tiller on draft and power requirements in a Bangkok clay soil

The only explanation I have is that my own forward rotating tiller "climbs" when it gets to hard spots and tends to aid the tractor in it's forward motion.
When I have used reverse rotating tillers in the past the IMPRESSION when hard going has been encountered is that the tiller holds the tractor back.
These have led me to an assumption that forward rotating tillers use less power, and/or that a tractor of any given PTO power can run a wider forward rotating tiller than a reverse rotating tiller.

I am not retracting entirely, since I have a preference for a tiller that tends to climb out vs dig under when the going gets tough - and
"One technical and studious article does not a universal law prove".
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[smbluthing]

Kioti (pronounced /kaɪˈoʊti/ "coyote") is the trade name for DaeDung tractors in North America and parts of Europe.

DaeDung, which is based in Daegu, South Korea, was founded in 1947.

DaeDung produces tractors, combines and rice transplanters.

In 2007, DaeDung manufactured over 14,000 tractors.

Thread should be taken to coyote site.

enough said:

 

[rioravioli]

The thread that never dies ... the OP has probably bought and has 100 hours on his new Kubota -

 

[TBDonnelly]

Kioti (pronounced /kaɪˈoʊti/ "coyote") is the trade name for DaeDung tractors in North America and parts of Europe.

DaeDung, which is based in Daegu, South Korea, was founded in 1947.

DaeDung produces tractors, combines and rice transplanters.

In 2007, DaeDung manufactured over 14,000 tractors.

Thread should be taken to coyote site.

enough said:

Daedong...............

 

[JoelD]

In a desperate effort to get back on point.

I've not let distance be an issue for me.

Rather the quality and features and price have been the most important factors for me.

I've found excellent Kioti support (prior to my purchase) in a dealer 307 miles from my house. As with Kubota, the Kioti is fundamentally well built. As I can turn a wrench, having a dealer imediately nearby is not hugely important, with a phone call I can sort most things out.

If you can't turn a wrench I can see where local dealer may be critical, but if that local dealer is junk, your in essentially the same spot (although I think more dealers are probably good than bad, particularly the big name, and those that have weathered this recession can only be so bad, right?).

I compared Kioti to Kubota and could find nothing terribly wrong with the Kioti and that combined with the excellent capacities and big price advantage, my decision was made.

I have no regrets.

Joel

 

[machmeter62]

They was having a little problem with those welds on the loaders. And heard they was having a little trouble with jerky three point on their"econo" line of kubotas,kioti don't have a econo line don't think?

You take two tractors same hp and same tires,the heaviest one is going to out pull the other,yeah you can add weight,have added about 600 more lbs to my kioti ck30,equal deere wonder how much you have have to add??

I agree about the "inching valve" on the Kubota's Econ tractors, and that issue should have been noted in the brochure to give one the option of the infinite position or quarter inching valve....a deceiving feeling after purchase too, leading to delayed use of your tractor to get the problem corrected? Someone at corporate level should have some answers? I also think the dealers deserve some blame also?