Gordon, did you ever see the pictures of the bullet proofing Rich did to the underside? I like Rich, hes not afraid to get his hands dirty. The 4N1 he has is really nice eh? Mark C is like that to. Some folks get so **** retentive about every little facet from greasing and oiling to will I hurt my tractor if I lift to much. Mark C once told a guy who wondered if he was hurting his loader by not being able to pick a heavy load of rocks to just try it, if it won't it, it won't, from there you just skid it. Its great to converse with folks who stretch their tractors and test them. Rat...