Kubota pricing link doesn't works at Aldermans.com

[tralderman]

Re: Kubota pricing link doesn\'t works at Aldermans.com

I hope that you people are not misunderstanding the point I am making here. The discussion of this thread began because pricing on these tractors is not uniform across the country. There are dealers out there charging full list and there are dealers out there giving great deals. Some of you want to know what MSRP is so that you can tell which dealers are giving good deals. What I am saying is that there is NO WAY all dealers can all sell for the same price and still offer a high level of customer satisfaction. And due to the varying cost of doing buiness across the country Kubota can't advertise sale prices or even MSRP.

I am not asking you to feel sorry for me because I have more overhead than the next guy. I am asking you to reward me for being dedicated to your satisfaction by perhaps paying A LITTLE more. If after reading this entire thread, you still feel that the only thing that matters is a low price then quite possibly no one can ever reason with you.

 

[LarryRB]

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I don't understand you saying Kubota cannot posts list pricing. After all, John Deere has been doing it a long time and very effectively I may add. I doubt anyone would argue that transportation cost to New England will obviously be five times what it costs from L.A. to Sacramento... My argument is Kubota dealers that have a free for all and quote whatever they feel like it.. For instance, an L48 TLB w/18'bucket, work lights and SSL FEL, may list for 42.. Why should a dealer call his own price and claim 47 or 49?. My part of this argument is matching apple for apple, that is an identical tractor and identical options, the list pricing quoted is all over the place and not even close to each other,.. At least with Deere, the lists is just that.

 

[tralderman]

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( . . . John Deere has been doing it a long time and very effectively I may add. )</font>

Please?!?! Just because John Deere does something does not make it right.

Look, I'm going to go through this one more time so pay attention. If Kubota advertises MSRP online, anyone online can do some easy math and figure out which dealers out there are charging list price and which are giving a discount. That part is easy to figure out because ALL dealers pay the same cost no matter how big or how small. However, some dealers cannot afford to offer such a huge discount because they have more mechaincs, more parts, better facilities, more service vehicles, yada-yada-yada. If internet shoppers completely rule out doing business with these high-end dealers, Kubota will have to take the blame. And since these high-end dealers are who got Kubota to where they are today, they are not going to do anything to intentionally hurt their best dealers. RIGHT?

I'm sorry but you people are just going to have to do things the old fashioned way. SHOP LOCAL, VISIT YOUR LOCAL DEALER, PATRONIZE THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT YOUR COMMUNITY. My company spent the last 2 weeks at 2 local county fairs. I rented a tent, took 10-20 tractors, and sent a staff of sales and parts people to attend our display. I also spend nearly $10,000 buying livestock from the kids at the 4-H livestock auctions. All together, my company invests more than $25,000 supporting the local county fairs and 4-H kids each year. Don't I deserve some credit? Don't I deserve just a little of your consideration for supporting my community?

Where was our local John Deere dealer? Did he bring a display to the county fair? Did he buy any animals at the auction? Did he lift one finger to support the agricultural community? NO WAY! He isn't doing anything but sitting back and taking, taking, taking from the community?

In my opinion, the dealer who works hard to EARN your business deserves some extra consideration when it comes time to spend your hard-earned money.

 

[gsxr1100]

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This one is for Larry since here knows what the northeast dealers are like. We live here........


If Kubota posted MSRP then it would equal the playing field some most dealers play games on what retail is and how they justify their abnormally high prices.

I disbelieve all dealers’ pay the same. If some dealers can’t give huge discount due to their issues, that is there problem, not the customers. And the customer should not have to eat his own money due to dealer issues.

My wife’s company spent over ½-millon dollars for a stupid dealer show for Agway in my hometown that she was in charge of. . Does that mean I do not mind Agway’s higher price, ya sure. I do not even shop there nor want too. There prices are a flat out joke and the owner of our local stores is a total jerk.

Does them spending money justify there right to have higher prices, no. Just because some dealer willingly throws money back into the community do not justify higher prices prevailing on the customers back. Why am I paying for money into the community for a dealer? I give enough money back in to the community. I did not force the dealer to throw money into the community nor should I pay for it.

Plus I do not think “ha some dealer is at a fair or show, he must be good”. Anyone can buy space on the floor or at a fair. Anyone can put a nice “PR” hat on too. Doing business is 180 degree different then talking about it.

So far nothing stated above is a dealer earning my business. Fix my tractor correctly, have parts in stock for normal things, have normal prices, and be polite to the customer and not talk down to. That is being a good dealer, wait, that is just running any business.

 

[CDsdad]

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I'm from a small town, but we have what I consider a large Kubota/Massey ferguson dealer. The folks there are my neighbors that I see everyday, and for the most part upstanding folks who'll help you any way they can. They don't post prices online. They also will tell you if they can't match a price or how close they come.

Now the big time, really large dealership 70 miles away will beat any price and will deliver and also come and get it if it's under warranty and HE doesn't post online prices.

The local guys don't hold a grudge if we buy out of town. My dad bought from the big dealer and I'm about to buy from the local place. Pop always gets great help and service from the locals and I don't expect any different.

These guys give to the community also, not for advertising but because that's who they are.

I guess my point is that my local dealer is honest to a fault. If he can beat a price he will, if he can't, he'll tell you what a good deal you got. Honesty and knowing I can trust these guys is why I'm buying from them.

I'm also NOT saying the out-of-town guys aren't good people, I just don't know them. I don't have money to throw away but the $200 extra bucks I'm spending local are worth it to me.

The best deal financially is not always the best deal.

An online price quote would never sway me as to where I'd buy.

 

[orangebluegreen]

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MSRP is an absolutely useless number. True dealer cost, or at what price a dealer is willing to sell any given unit for are the ONLY numbers of value. Nothing worse than ad’s (for used vehicles) that say “call for price”. What that tells me is it's over priced or they think they’re such great salesmen (BS’rs) that when you call they’ll be able to double talk you into something.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( “However, some dealers cannot afford to offer such a huge discount because they have more mechanics, more parts, better facilities, more service vehicles, yada-yada-yada” )</font>

If one has more mechanics or a larger facility than sales would support, IMO it is bad handling of business. I’m certainly not going to pay more because a dealer has more mechanics or a nicer building. The dealer is making money off the mechanic, I highly doubt any dealer has extra mechanics around he loses money on. Inventory and ability to actually see product, yes I would pay a bit more for, but there certainly is a line that most will draw of how much more they are willing to pay. I rarely if ever use service departments because from my experiences I’ve yet to meet a good mechanic that doesn’t mis-diagnose a problem and try to cover his tracks by claiming you have more than one problem after he realizes the thing he "fixed" wasn’t the problem. Yes there are a few good ones, but most are mediocre at best, regardless of how many patches are sewn on their uniform. I do almost all my own work because there is nothing worse than a lying service department. And I do blame most service managers and departments, the mechanics themselves are rarely the problem. Where does policy of the service manger originate? Not saying your dealership is in any way like this, just what I have universally encountered in my lifetime.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( “And since these high-end dealers are who got Kubota to where they are today” )</font>

I would suppose quality of product is what makes any company what they are, very unlikely any dealer is able to make or break a good or bad product.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( “My company spent the last 2 weeks at 2 local county fairs. I rented a tent, took 10-20 tractors, and sent a staff of sales and parts people to attend our display” )</font>

You did that cuz your such a nice community guy right, no sales motives at the fair right, haha, come on that’s CHEAP advertising, so is posting on this board.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( “In my opinion, the dealer who works hard to EARN your business deserves some extra consideration when it comes time to spend your hard-earned money.” )</font>

Agreed. If you were local I would support you IF your price was within a few percent of another close competitor on say a 10-15k tractor. Obviously to a guy who is spending hundreds of thousands he’s wanting to be closer in percentages. The fluff of more parts, mechanics etc....THAT is your sales edge and nothing else. Unfortunately tractors do not lend themselves well to internet sales. Can’t exactly drive one home and shipping is very expensive.

Hot tip for some of you well capitalized folks. My area of Fort Myers/Naples Florida has a huge number of absentee owners that hire lawn care services. Huge amount of equipment sold, yet no large warehouse type dealers with large inventory. My county alone has a population of 500,000 with probably half as full time residents and is growing in the top 5 in the nation. Seems to me opportunity.

 

[tjkadar]

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Actually, when I'm looking to buy something I don't mind paying a bit more to deal with someone I like. We went over 60 miles to buy our last tractor even though the dealer in town was much closer and a couple hundred dollars cheaper. The dealer we bought from was more knowledgeable, more helpful, and was plainly a better dealer. The extra $300 we spent was only 1% of the total sale price.

Even though my tractor cost more, I felt I was getting a better deal and was happy with my purchase. But then again, I'm not a big fan of Wal-Mart either.

 

[rox]

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/rant on

It drives me NUTS! when businesses do not publish their pricing on the Internet. I am writing form France, from my olive farm. I do constant research, reading everything I can so that when I am ready to buy I am armed with as much information as possible.

It is very narrow minded to think that there are not sales opportunities out here in cyberspace. It is totally feasible that one day I might on one of my trips back home to the USA plunk down a check for a tractor and have it shipped. I only spent $1,700 shipping a huge Mercury Mountaineer & a Z 28 from Milwaukee Wisconsin to France. So it is feasible that I would shop over the Internet and actually buy over the Internet.

We needed some vinyl banners to advertise our brand, guess what? I bought them on line from a company in Canada, because of the richness of their web site and the fact that they published their prices. I got a real nice 3ft by 5ft banner for $75 USD. All I did was e-mail them my Publisher File.

My next door neighbor is a mechanic and most likely he will be able to fix anything that needs fixing on that tractor that is still a gleam in my eye.

I lurk on the boards a lot, last year I posted a lot right after we bought the farm. I didn't feel that with this topic I could sit back and lurk.

Very simple, Post the Prices, you will get extra sales. Ask the two fellows in Canada if selling over the Internet works.

/rant off

 

[Bird]

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Rox, I agree with you. I do some shopping and buying on the Internet, but I'm not likely to buy from those who do not have their prices listed. But I'm the same way about shopping elsewhere, too. I've shopped the classified ads in newspapers for things I've wanted, but I'm not likely to even call any who do not have a price in their ad. And I'm not likely to ask about the price of an item I see in a store. If the price isn't posted, I go elsewhere. May not be the smartest thing to do, but that's me. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[rox]

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Bird, I know what you mean about missing prices. At my local hardware store I could have a full time job just putting missing prices on items.

I'm am buying a lot actually over the internet, I buy office supplies on line, gifts, irrigation supplies, airline tickets, hotels to think of a few off hand. Just lots of things. I would be very inclided to buy form that dealer who posted on this topic. He seems to me to be the type of company that if I needed parts or service I could call from France and they would take care of me. I have this type of relationship with our former car mechanic, even form France he takes care of me, gets the parts and mails them to me.

It is not feasible to think that people are going to spend hours calling around when they can jsut sit in fornt of their computer and look up the information, for descriptions and pricing. I can't wait to get a new tractor and UTV, just need to sell a bit more olive oil, and for sure all attachments I know I will order on line, after checking with you guys here on TBN to make sure I am ordering correctly /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif