Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT

   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #21  
Peace of mind always comes with a price. It may sound foolish but I don't mind spending the money and have the Peace of mind after spending a whole lot more on a lifetime investment...Just my 2 cents.....
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #22  
Not an oil engineer but- One difference is the anti wear chemistry- Super UDT was using zinc dialkyl dithiosphosphate and Super UDT II uses alkyl borate chemistries. They are full compatible with each other.

I guess you can't get veneral disease from it or at least I hope not.....:laughing:

My take on lubricants is simply this. So long as the lubricant you choose meets the manufacturers guidelines for lubrication quality and viscosity, they are all good. I use Chevron Synthetic because I like the orange color and it works just fine.

Under the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act of 1975, no manufacturer of any motorized vehicle (tractors included) can deny any warranty claim due to lubrication failure, period. You can use anything you like so long as it meets Kubota's specifications for the above. That's not limited to lubricants either, that's anything, oil filters, air filters, fuel filters, tires, accessories...anything perishable.

If it wasn't for the Act and it's mitigation of manufacturers liability, there would be no K&N Filters (by the way I have them in my Kubota's), noaftermarket anything, no auto parts stores like Pep Boys or O'Riely's because you'd have to buy only manufacturer certified parts, oils or whatever at their prices. The Act brings about fair trade and competition and that's good.

They want you to use their branded stuff because, guess what....they make money on it. However, you aren't legally bound to.

It's FoMoCo and Mopar and Good Wrench but Kubotaland....:)

Besides....

I figure my gearbox/driveline oil in both my tractors gets dilluted with who knows what anyway. Everytime I hook to a fertilizer Cart at the co-op and hook up the hydraulics, whatever was in the tractor before I got it (cart) left their fluid in the lines and now I have theirs, or if I borrow say a stubble beater from the operator down the road who has JD equipment, I get Hy-Trans, or maybe Traveller from TSC or maybe motor oil, it's a crapshoot.

It's all good, I never get worried about it.
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #23  
Ok.. I ahve had seveal lunch meetings with a Chevron engineer over the last year or so... Chevron makes the oils for Kubota. The oils for Kubota are actually formulated, tested, and engineered in Chevron labs in Japan..
I asked him the other day about the Kubota UDT and SUDT, he enthusiastically stated that it was absolutely the best oil you could buy for your tractor..
I asked why the cost was that of a synthetic, he stated that it was the additive package.. there was no hesitation in his comments.. it convinced me that I am not interested in putting anything else in my Bota... We spent alot of time discussing the differences between CI and CJ rated oils as well..
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #24  
Ok.. I ahve had seveal lunch meetings with a Chevron engineer over the last year or so... Chevron makes the oils for Kubota. The oils for Kubota are actually formulated, tested, and engineered in Chevron labs in Japan..
I asked him the other day about the Kubota UDT and SUDT, he enthusiastically stated that it was absolutely the best oil you could buy for your tractor..
I asked why the cost was that of a synthetic, he stated that it was the additive package.. there was no hesitation in his comments.. it convinced me that I am not interested in putting anything else in my Bota... We spent alot of time discussing the differences between CI and CJ rated oils as well..

I'm using SUDT now and next change will go with SUDT2. Just curious, what did he have to say about the CI and CJ rated engine oils?
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #25  
Ok.. I ahve had seveal lunch meetings with a Chevron engineer over the last year or so... Chevron makes the oils for Kubota. The oils for Kubota are actually formulated, tested, and engineered in Chevron labs in Japan..
I asked him the other day about the Kubota UDT and SUDT, he enthusiastically stated that it was absolutely the best oil you could buy for your tractor..
I asked why the cost was that of a synthetic, he stated that it was the additive package.. there was no hesitation in his comments.. it convinced me that I am not interested in putting anything else in my Bota... We spent alot of time discussing the differences between CI and CJ rated oils as well..

I think you are correct on the manufature but they are not the best. Best is defined as, in they employee's mind?

Problem is Kubota said the same dealer on there SUDT fluid too; and we we overpimped / priced for years. This issues has been on here for like 10+ years.

If you can find another Non-Kubota fluid that meets the UDT spec, use it.
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #26  
I'm using SUDT now and next change will go with SUDT2. Just curious, what did he have to say about the CI and CJ rated engine oils?

I have used both and Amsoil hyd fluids and you will not tell any diff between the fluids. USe whatever is cheaper.

Unlesss you have emission items on your unit, the rating will not mater.
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #27  
What was said about oils and the law is basically true- if you specify a specific brand oil you have to supply that oil for x years at no cost to the customer. However, you can meet the demand of the law by saying you can use a commercial grade oil meeting xxx specification knowing that the machine will not last as long but the customer knew that when they purchased the lesser quality oil. So if I put low cost generic hydraulic fluid in my tractor and I start losing hydraulic efficiency at 2,000 hours where if I put in the premium fluid and it is still running near new at 5,000 hours, I have only myself to blame. Meeting a spec vs having a super additive package could mean double, triple life or even more.
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #28  
Problem is Kubota said the same dealer on there SUDT fluid too; and we we overpimped / priced for years. This issues has been on here for like 10+ years.

.

Huh???
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #29  

Okay, I will slow it done. Kubota SUDT was over pimped on here, dealers, and many other sites as a "great and wonderful" "best" fluid out there. Now the new and improved comes out and cheaper too. So what does that say about the last? Over priced for years.
 
   / Kubota UDT or Kubota Super UDT #30  
Now I see what you are saying...
As for the cost of various oils, there are so many factors that are involved in setting the price on something like that, i would not begin to speculate. I know and trust the Chevron guy that my info came from, and considering it will take 20 years for be to put 100 hours on my CUT, Im really not gonna worry with the price.
 

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