Kubota vs. Deere

18KwPower · Sep 15, 2005

That's a really good price... What about Ballast/Weights, and chains (Necessary in winter). Was it for Lug tires? Lug tires aren't really that much cheaper than turf, and if you have lots of hills/slopes are a must. They don't tear up your grass either...

-Dave

( Just got quotes for the 2305 with loader and 54" deck,$13,700. The Kubota BX2230 with loader and 60" deck was $12,200.Why would I pay an extra $1500 for the 2305?I have owned Deeres most of my life,but the price difference looks to be pushing me to Kubota.Do you see any benefit of buying the Deere? )

18KwPower · Sep 15, 2005

I thought this too when I first tested the Kubota BX2230 out, but then after I used it for awhile, the loader controls seemed comfortable, and so did the HST pedal. Now, neither seem unconfortable. Though it is a bit of a pinch to get on the tractor (BX2230) from the right hand side... Wish there was a way to move the loader control out of the way until you want to use it.

-Dave

( Test Drive both units with the loaders on and see which you like best. I did that a Kubota BX2230 verses a JD 2210. The loader controls on the Kubota were to far forward and high for my personal liking. The rocking HST pedal and brake location were a concern in a pinch and uncomfortable also , Once again My own oppinion.Both are nice units. I paid $12700.00 out the door with CX200 and 54" deck, weight box and extra work lights, and R4s. a month ago.

Jim )

Lobo56 · Sep 15, 2005

The comment regarding the 3-point arms being significantly longer on the 2210 then the BX2230 is true. I just purchased a used model 854 PTO driven Trac Vac. The previous owner had it on a BX2230. When I tried to mount it on my 2210 the drive shaft was 3” or more short, the two ends of the drive shaft pulled apart in the middle. I then noticed that the previous owner had cut some of the drive shaft to fit he’s BX2230. After spending $89.00 for a new drive shaft which is almost 4” longer then the old one. I would think the 3PT. arms on a BX2230 are at least 2”-3” shorter then the 2210.

johndeere_2210 · Sep 15, 2005

Dave,

I'm aware of the adjustments to move the arms apart on the BX as well as the Deere, but my comment was more directed at how wide the arms spread apart couple with ease; that is, the draft bar which goes between the arms on a 2210 or 2305 is a standard 28" and it does make hooking things up a bit easier, because on the same bushhog at my home, I use to reverse the pins (pointing inside) to hook up the same piece of equipment on the BX and that's not to imply it couldn't use it, but 28-30" spread is pushing the arms way out there.

I do agree, the turning radius is much nicer on the BX.

18KwPower · Sep 15, 2005

I'll check myBX tonight... Im sure the hitch bar I have between the 2pt is a full Cat1 width. It looks the same width as what I have on my 9N. Anyhow, I'll measure just to be certain.

It didn't seem difficult to hook up.... though I did tighten the linkage components so it didn't flop around.

I do like how on the BX2230 I could hook the 2pt arms so that they stay a fixed height.

Mowing my almost 2acres I finish almost 20min faster than I was getting it done with the JD445, and I about half the fuel. Just having a Diesel over a gas was worth it.

Doesn't matter what kind of tractor you get in the long run, the diesel engine will be more fuel efficient, and last longer than a gas.

-Dave

jeepers94 · Sep 15, 2005

Well,it turns out the 2305 doesn't qualify for a rebate.There is a $1000 rebate on the 4010,but none on the 2305.I just made the deal for the Kubota 2230 with fel,60"mmm,grill guard and rear ballast for $11,900 including taxes and $$500 rebate,36 months 0% interest.I also was interested in the MF 2300 but the dealer in my area wanted $15000.Thats $1000 more than the Deere.

18KwPower · Sep 15, 2005

Okay... Kubota does have some deception... The BX2230 spec says it has a 22hp (see http://www.kubota.com/f/products/bx1830-2230_specs.pdf )

But, stamped on my BX2230 engine it says it is an 18.5Kw enigne (24.8hp).

Needless to say, its nice to get an instant reward. I went looking around on the tractor after I cut down a large (~80ft tree and pulled it off to my brush firewood pile some 2000lbs + sections with only about 1/3 throttle. I expected to have to run it at a higher speed or at least to lug the motor some. It just kept running smooth the whole time.

-Dave

( Okay, I jumped in because a Kubota/New Holland salesman stated in a JD Forum that he thought JD's literature was deceptive to consumers--a very strong statement, indeed. Now I learn that all tractor manufacturers except Kubota are deceiving customers if that standard holds water. Where are we with that allegation? ...and does anyone actually have the comparable numbers--center bucket. 500 MM, pivot pin, breakout force, whatever--since Kubota is forthright enought to provide all measurement points, including possibly the same point as is used by JD for the 210 or 200CX. Why doesn't Kubota make those spec statements on their Website and which literature are you guys talking about? Kubota sell-in or tech literature? Just curious and still a little befuddled about the reason for the sniping when there are still no facts offered /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. )

Lobo56 · Sep 15, 2005

You’re talking about width between the lift arms at full spread, were talking about overall total length of the lift arms. If you were to attach two identical implement one to a 2210 and the other one to the BX2230, the 2210 will lift it higher off the ground, because of the lift arm length. The BX2230 defiantly has shorter lift arms. Not that the 2210 has anything to brag about on lift height, but it lifts higher then the BX2230.

18KwPower · Sep 15, 2005

That's correct. The BX2230 lift arms are definitely shorter than the Deere 3305/2210. They do open up full width for 32" Cat1 bar's/implements between the 2pt.

How high you lift something doesn't seem to be a big hinderance unless you have something that requires alot of ground clearance when in the up position.

-Dave

bigpete · Sep 19, 2005

Thanks, Bob. JD does provide both pivot pin specs and a spec at 550 mm forward of the pivot pin for the 210 and 410 loaders. It's in a buyers spec sheet at link to purchasing guide. . Don't mean to be so terse about this stuff, but I get edgy over extreme and unfounded statements. Deceptive advertising can be, in fact, a crime and/or a tort depending on the intent--"Neil" said JD was being deceptive by using a different point to measure capacity or breakout (don't remeber which one). As I said, my reaction is to a Kubota salesman posting in a JD forum stating that JD's specs were deceptive because they were supposedly stated at a different lift point. It also seems to me that you have just affirmed that all manufacturers are all over the map on this.

I imagine the reaction to a JD salesman making extreme statements in a Kubota forum would find somebody just like me, except with an orange tractor, flaming back. Thanks for the "kinda' sorta'" objective reply, but anybody stating "deception" is alleging that something is deliberately hidden. And it sounds like you "kinda' sorta'" agree...

Has anyone figured out yet whether the BX loader has a greater rated breakout force at 500-550 mm forward of the pivot pin than does the 300CX or 210 loader on the 2210 or 2305? Looks like the 210 has a 1,072 lb. breakout at 550 mm forward and the 410 has a 1,500 at the same point /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Isn't that still a greater breakout than the comparable Kubota loaders in question? I guess I can't tell because I still see no reference to the point of measurement in Kubota's specs for its LA211 Loader. Do tell where the spec might be on their Website. Aren't they the company that provides three different points for their measurement? My conclusion is that none are more honest or deceptive than the other. Still /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif