L2501 pricing and negotiating...

[Geotech]

I didn't mean to create a "Kioti vs Kubota" thread, though the opinions are appreciated. Mostly trying to provide context to the situation to see if there is any advice on optimizing the deal.

I am open to strategies to optimize the deal with the Kioti as well as the Kubota. Kubota offers 1.99 percent interest over 7 years or 0 percent over 5 years. For the Kioti, I can get financing along these lines: 4 years at 2.65%, 5.5 years at 2.95% or 7 years at 4.75 percent. (these are my personal options - Kioti does not have good financing options). While the Kioti would be cheaper if I paid if off early, over a 5 year loan, the monthly payments would be within $10.00 of each other. This is assuming land pride attachments for the Kubota (though the grapple might be EA) and all EA attachments for the Kioti.

 

[rScotty]

My former L3200 (same machine & frame as the L2501 minus a couple HP) would barely lift 1,200lbs bales. Add in the pallet forks & the load being a ways forward & it's practically well over 1,600lbs. And you need to put excessive ballast on the back to barely keep the rear tires on the ground. Think the loader was rated at 1,200lbs

Kioti may have a stronger loader & front axle. But unless it weighs noticably over 3,000lbs it's unlikely to have much more of a lift capacity.

Right, I agree with Fallon on the loader. Loader lift isn't just about the strength or size of the components; those are cheap and easy enough for a manufacturer to design whatever he wants. The lift at full height specification is more about how much instability the manufacturer willing to accept when lifting a lot of weight - especially up high.

The initial lift right at the ground is the most important spec, but rarely mentioned. Breakout force is part of it. The initial lift is also influenced with the shape of the bucket, and also whether the loader front arms have any of those torque-multiplying scissor links built to increase the curl power of the bucket.

Personally I like a loader that has good visibility from the seat most of all. I want to be able to see as much of the bucket as I can, and especially be able to judge when it is flat on the ground or at a slight angle. After that, I want the whole loader tucked in close to the tractor up front, and for bucket lift I want a a lot of break-out power and a lot of lift in the first foot or two of motion from the ground. These things usually come at the expense of really high lift, but that's an acceptable trade by me.

There's a lot of things to compare about loaders other than just lifting ability. Considering how much of the time the loader is used, it might be worthwhile if you would post pictures of the two loaders & get some comments on them. Loaders really are different.
rScotty

 

[jeff9366]

RSCOTTY: A particularly informative, lucid post.

You could develop into a full thread: FRONT END LOADER as a SINGLE CRITERION IN TRACTOR SELECTION.

 

[FatTire]

Wish there were more tractors with loaders that have lift cylinder positions that can be configured for either higher lift or more breakout force, such as the LA1154 Loader on the M6060/7060.

 

[Geotech]

Scotty,

Those are some very good points. I foresee using my bucket quite a bit for curling up at the base of small trees (6 inch diameter or less post oaks) to break up roots and pluck them out. I will not be loading material into a truck, so heavy lifting up high is not much of a priority. In fact, I cannot foresee ever needing to lift half a ton up 8 ft high. One thing I notice about the L2501 is that the quick attach bucket is 66 inches while the pin-on is 60 inches. I want the quick attach so I can swap out a grapple, but would prefer the narrower bucket so the forces is more concentrated. I need to check with the dealer to see if I can get a 60 inch quick attach bucket.

 

[Geotech]

Here are side by side comparisons of the loaders. I think the Kioti loader would be a 4030, but that is close enough to the 4010 in the picture. Not sure how to make the pics bigger.

 

[standup616]

Lifting half a ton 8 foot high, dont limit your options immediately with your significant purchase. You may want to build a barn and lift lumber or beam. Decide to help your roofer for a discount and make a receptacle for shingles to move to his dump truck or trailer or keep their stuff off the flowerbed irrigation system. Partially assemble fort or treehouse on ground for your kids or grandkids and then transport pick up at the desired location and finish....

 

[rScotty]

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Here are side by side comparisons of the loaders. I think the Kioti loader would be a 4030, but that is close enough to the 4010 in the picture. Not sure how to make the pics bigger.

I'd say that they seem very close in design. No clear winner and loser.

Overall I might have a slight preference for the 2545 as that loader seems to be tucked closer to the front of the tractor. Also, I find the 2545's particular triangular shape of bucket easier & intuitive to use compared to a round back. That triangular shape bucket also holds more for me when I'm hand-loading firewood or using the bucket for a workbench because it has a larger workspace flat workspace than a round back bucket. Both loaders seem to be well mounted to the tractor, but there again I'd give the nod to the 2545.
rScotty

 

[TMGT]

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Here are side by side comparisons of the loaders. I think the Kioti loader would be a 4030, but that is close enough to the 4010 in the picture. Not sure how to make the pics bigger.

Is that the loader the Kubota dealer is selling on the L2501 you're looking at? I may have missed where it was mentioned, but why is the dealer putting an Ansung loader on the Kubota over the factory Kubota LA525 loader?

 

[Geotech]

I thought that was the LA525 loader. I overlooked the number on the loader arm. Guess i though it was for a rental fleet number or something else.