Largest hp HST available?

Bob_Young · May 9, 2005

"risk buying a problem by buying one of the Big Three"

/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Did I say that? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Didn't mean to, John. Meant 'risk buying a problem by buying Montanas or Farmtracs or Mahindras or.... anything other than the Big Three'.

And I'm aware that even that is debatable. The 'offbrands' may be good, it's just that some of us can't afford to experiment with them. I've looked hard at the Farmtracs myself.

Sigarms, which would you rather carry; a Taurus or a Sig? Taurus is 25% 'less expensive'.
Bob

Donnyj · May 10, 2005

Just remember, One time a day Kubota was not included in that big 3 description. Alot of people took the risk and experimented with Kubota. Today Kubota makes a very good tractor just like they did years ago. The off brands actually have alot more to prove, just like Kubota did years ago.

Sigarms · May 10, 2005

Bob

Your points are very well taken.

To answer your question (as to why looking at another brand other than the "big three") a couple of reasons.

The primary reason is due to the business that I'm in.

I consider myself "some what" successful. I've been in the HVAC business for the last 13 years. I handle everything you can think of in commercial, industrial and residential equipment. Just so happens my "primary" line of forced air equipment is almost "unknown" in N.C. But...I do very well with it. One of the main reasons is that I explain to my dealers that it's not the equipment, BUT the people behind the equipment. People are not only buying my equipment line, but are buying my "customer service" which after a period of time, sells itself.

Also, I never "bend my customers" over so to speak. If I'm making a "killing" on somthing, I will end up lowering the price (without my customer asking me to). Now I realize this may a big "no no" in the business world, but...I treat people the way I expect to be treated. Trust is a two way street, and respect has to be earned. I should note that I have the advantage over most tractor dealers (dealing with a customer buying a tractor) because I deal with my customers everyday, all year.

To me, a Kubota dealership is like any other tractor dealership, they are like McDonalds, you know what your going to get, you just don't know how your going to get it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I also want to keep the Kubota dealer "honest" so to speak.

The JD dealer just plain pissed me off. Don't badmouth other equipment lines.

Anyway, I appreciate all the info.

"city carry" Kimber custom ultra eclispe.
"country carry" Robarized Glock 20
SHTF rifle- too many to list, including the Sig /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

xxxsandman · May 10, 2005

( The JD dealer just plain pissed me off. Don't badmouth other equipment lines. )

I agree! My local Massey/New Holland dealer talked himself out of ever selling me a tractor by telling me I should have bought 2 of my cheap Chinese Rhino International tractors so I would have parts. This was the owner, not a parts monkey. All I went out there for was to get an oil filter, which ANY parts store carries. Ended up getting my filter at NAPA, he didn't even want to look.

The dealers that bad mouth other brands feels threatened by those brands. They fear they are a better value or better quality and think they must down talk them to try to make theirs look better. These same type of dealers probably are asking too much for their premium/superior tractors to start with. If their tractors are of good quality and are priced right, they don't need to do any bad mouthing, the tractor will do the talking! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think you are going to see more and more of the big 4 dealers (jd, massey, new holland, and kubota) start being concerned with the "off brand" tractors. There's always been off brand tractors, so why worry? Well a couple of things come to mind. Some of the new kids on the block or making some pretty good waves in the pool now days, such as Montana, Kioti, etc.. They are making tractors as good or better then comparable big 4 models. They are building a dealer network and trying to provide service for their tractors. They are offering incentives to buy their tractors, such as lower pricing, 0% financing, more standard features, and 3 year warr. I believe these smaller new tractor companies will continue to grow and get market share and acceptance, as long as they can continue to deliver a quality tractor for a better price and improve their dealer/service network.

I welcome the competition, that will make ALL tractors better and less expensive! Some day we may be saying Big "10" /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

BTW, I'm not a tractor dealer of any kind, just a tractor owner. I own a Montana 4540 and Rhino 4134. I like the "big 4" tractors, but I'm open to the other "off brand" tractors just as well.

gippolit · May 10, 2005

Did you look at the CK30HST from Kioti. Net PTO is about 24HP a little less then what your looking for. I've just purchased one and I'm very happy with it. I was looking to purchase a JD or Kubota, but I ended up with Kioti. The Kioti was a better made tractor for the money. Just my thoughts.

regards
Glen

Sigarms · May 10, 2005

Glenn

Actually the CK30 was my first "pick".

After posting here about my property and uses for the tractor, I changed gears (no pun intended) and started looking at the larger sizes.

Was going to go to a Kioti DK45S, but after talking to my father, HST is the way I want to go.

Now if Kioti made the DK45 in HST, it might be a "no brainer", although from other posts in the Kioti forums, at this point, I might be glad I didn't go with the DK45S.

Thanks

Bob_Skurka · May 10, 2005

Sigarms, just curious here, but have you narrowed down the search any? In an earlier post you mentioned a Kubota L3830HST for $2000 less than a Montana, but didn't mention if you are considering the Kubota? Or if you are looking at other brands?

At this point maybe some of the guys who have specific models you might be interested could help, but you'd really need to narrow down the choices to some of the brands/models you are seriously considering.

Sigarms · May 10, 2005

Bob

Looking hard at the L3830 and would like to take a look at the Montana line (Kubota was "first" on my list until I read about the Montana line).

The Montana looks small for it's size, but after thinking about it, to me, smaller is actually better (although I could be wrong).

I need to get down and look at that dealer.

You points about a "stocking dealer" just became more important to me. Not sure how "big" this Montana dealer is, and that will play a big part in my thought process on a new tractor.

Stopped at another JD dealer, and they remind me of VW dealers. They "know" they have the best products, and they always want to remind you of it. Think JD is out.

Thanks

KiotiJohn · May 10, 2005

( Now if Kioti made the DK45 in HST, it might be a "no brainer", although from other posts in the Kioti forums, at this point, I might be glad I didn't go with the DK45S. )
This statement is one of the things that I dislike about forums. Every tractor brand mentioned in any of these forums has problem posts from time to time, and readers shouldn't assume that all of that model are having the problems. Most of what has been posted as a problem with the DK45S has been preparation, not any mechanical shortcomings.
If someone mentions that a Kubota L3830 has a problem with the 3pt hitch raising, I don't assume that all L3830 models are no good and that I'd better steer clear of it.
I think people often either misread, or misunderstand the problems that are posted on this forum at times, and then possibly cheat themselves out of a good tractor.
No offense intended here, but saying you might be glad you didn't go with the DK45S over problems that were not the MFG fault is unfair to the brand and users who may not have read the true facts of the posts.
John

Sigarms · May 10, 2005

John

No offense taken.

You are 100% correct.

In my defense, I stated "I might be glad".

A manufacturer is only as good as a dealer supporting the line, the the dealer is only as good as a manufacturer "standing behind" thier product.

The one nice aspect of the internet now is that any "issues" that arise can become known quickly, and information exchanged between consumers (such as this website).

This can lead into a whole new discussion on "perceived quality" vrs "actual quality" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

John, how come Kioti does not make the DK45 in HST?

The reason I ask is because I would be interested in this type of product.

Thanks