Legal Carry ???

[Soundguy]

Depends on the law.

I know the frame of a firearm or reciever, the part that has the serial number -CAN- be considered a firearm all by itself... IE.. if I try to order a 'frame' for certain weapons, I have to send in a copy of my FFL.. etc..

Soundguy

 

[Spiveyman]

Yep, and in some states a high capacity magazing will get you in trouble even if there's not another gun part around.

Assualt Rifle: "Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat." - according to yahoo's dictionary.

So that covers just about everything out there. Most rifles are at least variations of military use weapons. What they really mean are "evil looking" guns. But don't go trying to use logic when discussing gun laws.

Washington DC => no guns => massive crime
Small Town USA => lots o' guns => very little crime

hmmmmm.......

I'm thinking maybe it's the people committing the crimes rather than the guns. Just a thought there, could be wrong. So maybe we need tough people-control laws in those areas.

 

[LMTC]

Yep, and in some states a high capacity magazing will get you in trouble even if there's not another gun part around.

Assualt Rifle: "Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat." - according to yahoo's dictionary.

So that covers just about everything out there. Most rifles are at least variations of military use weapons. What they really mean are "evil looking" guns. But don't go trying to use logic when discussing gun laws.

Washington DC => no guns => massive crime
Small Town USA => lots o' guns => very little crime

hmmmmm.......

I'm thinking maybe it's the people committing the crimes rather than the guns. Just a thought there, could be wrong. So maybe we need tough people-control laws in those areas.

Can't find it at the moment, but am fairly certain our own Army's definition used to include something like "select-fire" and had language about being fired primarily from the shoulder or hip, i.e., firearms with only a semi-automatic action absolutely did not qualify....only those with an option for full automatic action, and eventually "burst" action. Those with exclusively automatic action were not included either. The inclusion of firearms with solely semi-auto action is political, not military. And assault used to mean like when one group of soldiers tried to overrun the adversary's position, not like in assault and battery, or criminal assault against another. All semantics which media and general public acceptance has altered.

 

[lrunge]

And the fight goes on...
Attached link is from the Society for HR (SHRM). SHRM supported this Oklahoma federal court case and won using OSHA to attack the states from passing laws that prohibit employers from dening employees to have guns in their vehicles on employee property. Now the intent is in 2008 to go back after the four other states that restricted employers from doing this (Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Alaska). If you want to see SHRM's real stance read the last paragraph.
SHRM

 

[SnowRidge]

If you want to see SHRM's real stance read the last paragraph.
SHRM

Seems they want you to be a member before you can read anything.

 

[jimg]

One of the problems is that those who would deprive you of your 2nd Amendment rights are defining the terms of the debate. Mind you those terms dont have hard/fast defns exc what might be flashy and scary at the time to further the goal of severely restricting/banning a particular item. In other words theres little rational substance but lots of emotion and hand wringing. For instance hi-cap magazine is a misnomer. There are regular and under capacity which are identical exc the later is purposely hamstrung. It made its debut when the gun banners tried to associate available ammo as more or less evil based quantity. The same goes for 'assault weapon'...its a defn based primarily on color and form. In fact a true assault weapon is pretty expensive to acquire and the process is fairly lengthy.

 

[Spiveyman]

The one's that always got me were the bayonet lug and the flash suppressor. The got lumped on the list of the 5 evil things. Even the pistol grip is kind of crazy. If they are so worried about regular-cap magazines (I like that by the way), what's so evil about the bayonet lug? How many psycho's empty their weapons, then fix bayonet and keep going in the liquor store? Uh... none! Same with the suppressor, it's not like they are hiding in a hedge row sniping, they are the idiot with the ski mask on in the middle of the store. Who cares if you can see the muzzle flash?

You gotta love gun laws.

 

[jimg]

I know...but like I said theres no rational basis for their arguments. Its all about *feeling* a certain way.

I never understood the bayo lug thing either. Dont know of any *criminals* who fix bayonets these days. The flash suppressor argument was born out of ignorance. Its not meant to conceal you from your target but to keep you from being blinded by your own flash. The pistol grip is the biggest mystery to me though...its meant to give greater control when firing. That sounds like a good thing!! You know...gun control!!

 

[jimg]

>>I know the frame of a firearm or reciever, the part that has the serial
>> number -CAN- be considered a firearm all by itself... IE.. if I try to order a
>>'frame' for certain weapons, I have to send in a copy of my FFL.. etc..
The part of the receiver which holds the fire control is the firearm and is the part thats controlled. Nothing more is needed to classify it as such. That is, it can be missing all other parts (barrel etc) to make it functional and still be a 'gun'. However, if its only finished to the point where it would 'take a significant effort' to finish it then its not a firearm. In the same vein a machine gun can simply be a small piece of sheet metal in a particular form, a drop in autosear, or one or more pieces of the fire control particular to a MG. In other words if you possessed a piece of sheetmetal that resembled an autosear w/o a Mother-May-I from the BATF they would very likely prosecute you for possessing an unregistered MG and illegal manufacture of same. Theres lots more gotchas/pitfalls/etc one can fall into. Its almost as if it were by design.

 

[Skyco]

I drive a company owned vehicle to and from work. No weapons allowed.
Here is one for ya'll- I work for a large national company with about 20,000 employees. We are not supposed to even discuss weapons at work If we do we are supposed to be reported to HR as a possble "problem"