Legal Carry ???

   / Legal Carry ??? #111  
Sorry if you couldn't read the SHRM article. Below are the first 2 paragraphs and the last one.

10/24/07 2:56 PM


Court Strikes Down State Law Prohibiting Workplace Gun Policies


"An Oklahoma federal court ruled that a state law barring employers from prohibiting weapons on workplace property was invalid because it was pre-empted by federal law. The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma concluded that the law ran afoul of the Occupational Safety and Health Act's (OSH Act) å*µeneral duty clause, which requires an employer to å��urnish to each of his employees employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm.

This decision å*µives Oklahoma employers relief from the 舛atch-22 position of having to choose between violating state or federal law, Julie Elgar, SHRMç—´ Georgia state legislative director and an attorney at Ford and Harrison LLP in Atlanta told SHRM Online in an Oct. 23 interview. It also gives employers in states with similar laws a weapon to challenge the laws, she said. And, in states in which the legislature has fought over but ultimately failed to pass such laws, employers have legal ammunition when the issue comes up again, as it is likely to do in Georgia. çš„tç—´ a strong weapon to have in your arsenal, Elgar noted. "

Last para.
摘mployers who want the right to have a non-gun policy must be active citizens, Elgar recommended. 典hey need to go through SHRM or otherwise to let elected officials know that they oppose any bill prohibiting employers from establishing workplace weapons policies. 滴R needs to be a part of this. They should make sure that their voices are strong, Elgar concluded.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #112  
Yep... I wonder how long it is going to be before the batf outlowas 'scrap metal' that has a bonded template on it and an attached baggie of rivits.. etc.

Soundguy

jimg said:
>>I know the frame of a firearm or reciever, the part that has the serial
>> number -CAN- be considered a firearm all by itself... IE.. if I try to order a
>>'frame' for certain weapons, I have to send in a copy of my FFL.. etc..
The part of the receiver which holds the fire control is the firearm and is the part thats controlled. Nothing more is needed to classify it as such. That is, it can be missing all other parts (barrel etc) to make it functional and still be a 'gun'. However, if its only finished to the point where it would 'take a significant effort' to finish it then its not a firearm. :D In the same vein a machine gun can simply be a small piece of sheet metal in a particular form, a drop in autosear, or one or more pieces of the fire control particular to a MG. In other words if you possessed a piece of sheetmetal that resembled an autosear w/o a Mother-May-I from the BATF they would very likely prosecute you for possessing an unregistered MG and illegal manufacture of same. Theres lots more gotchas/pitfalls/etc one can fall into. Its almost as if it were by design. :)
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #113  
Soundguy said:
Yep... I wonder how long it is going to be before the batf outlowas 'scrap metal' that has a bonded template on it and an attached baggie of rivits.. etc.

Soundguy
As silly as it sounds thats actually a very good question.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #114  
It sure is.. I see this kind of thing all the time.. cnc machining programs to cut scrap metal plates to a specific shape.. and or the classic 'bonded template' and the assorted baggies of 'not specifically firearm' parts...

I fully understand the need for the govt to know who has what.. what I don't like is them telling you what you can have... A good responsible person that can own a fast gun in one state can't in another. need to have more homogenious gun ownership laws... IMHO

Soundguy
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #115  
Soundguy said:
It sure is.. I see this kind of thing all the time.. cnc machining programs to cut scrap metal plates to a specific shape.. and or the classic 'bonded template' and the assorted baggies of 'not specifically firearm' parts...

I fully understand the need for the govt to know who has what.. what I don't like is them telling you what you can have... A good responsible person that can own a fast gun in one state can't in another. need to have more homogenious gun ownership laws... IMHO

Soundguy
Chris, I have to express another view on homogenous laws.....I firmly believe those issues are left to the individual states, and so long as the state laws do not run afoul of the USA Constitution, I don't think the Fed gov should have any say in forcing any state to emulate or adopt the laws of another state. What they could do re: one thing they could do re: another, and suddenly we find ourselves with the same laws as, oh, say Calichusetts (I made that name up so as not to imply any particular state, living or dead;)). I also don't know why the gov, state or federal, needs to know what I or anyone else has.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #116  
LMTC said:
I also don't know why the gov, state or federal, needs to know what I or anyone else has.
Easy answer...so you can be taxed.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #117  
I don't think the states should have any say at all over gun ownership, past the federal regs that are already in place.

state and local govt's some how feel that a responsible person somehow becomes unresponsible if he owns a gun.. or two or ten.

They need to focus more time and law enforcement on the criminals.. not the honest citizens trying to jump through all the hoops they keep setting up.. IE.. don't worry about law abiding citizens with guns.. worry about criminals with guns.. etc.

Soundguy

LMTC said:
Chris, I have to express another view on homogenous laws.....I firmly believe those issues are left to the individual states, and so long as the state laws do not run afoul of the USA Constitution, I don't think the Fed gov should have any say in forcing any state to emulate or adopt the laws of another state. What they could do re: one thing they could do re: another, and suddenly we find ourselves with the same laws as, oh, say Calichusetts (I made that name up so as not to imply any particular state, living or dead;)). I also don't know why the gov, state or federal, needs to know what I or anyone else has.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #118  
Soundguy said:
I don't think the states should have any say at all over gun ownership, past the federal regs that are already in place.

state and local govt's some how feel that a responsible person somehow becomes unresponsible if he owns a gun.. or two or ten.

They need to focus more time and law enforcement on the criminals.. not the honest citizens trying to jump through all the hoops they keep setting up.. IE.. don't worry about law abiding citizens with guns.. worry about criminals with guns.. etc.

Soundguy

Who would dare own so few guns. :D I just went over 150 a couple of months ago.
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #119  
Soundguy said:
They need to focus more time and law enforcement on the criminals.. not the honest citizens trying to jump through all the hoops they keep setting up.. IE.. don't worry about law abiding citizens with guns.. worry about criminals with guns.. etc.

Soundguy

Because those laws are not for criminals... The illegal acts they commit with or without a gun are already illegal. What these laws are for is to create sheep, and keep a government in power regardless of what they do. If I recall my history correctly, the framers of the constitution had recent historical experience with this type of governing body so the constitution is worded to prevent this from happening... You used to see direct assualts against our rights. These don't usually work because they are so blatently against the intent. What I see more and more as I get older are more subversive and suttle attacks. "We won't outlaw it, we will thru supposedly unrelated safety and health regulation make it prohibitively expensive to participate and the practice will dissappear of it's own accord" There will of course be the few who understad the importance and will continue regardless of the cost, but a minority is a much easier thing to monitor...
 
   / Legal Carry ??? #120  
Yep.. plus it's hard and dangerous to catch criminals.. and hard to enforce restrictions on their 'rights'....while it's easy to lay restrictive laws on law abiding citizens and restrict our rights.. etc.

Soundguy
 

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