Legal Carry ???

[the_sandman_454]

In the current climate with the current hoops that need to be jumped through for "class III" items, I agree regarding a class 3 for defensive purposes. I was attempting to state how I'd much rather the stupid bans go away, and for that matter probably the ATF, which by the way should be a convenience store, rather than a government agency.

It should not make a lick of difference what weapon was used for personal defense if it's justified. In fact, in trials, etc the weapon type and any information about it should be required to be withheld from evidence provided the individual using it owned/posessed it legally. Of course the media still over hypes things, and in many cases blatantly makes the victim into the bad guy. Ridiculous what prosecutors and the media can do when they work together. Completely trash the life of someone who was minding his or her own business until someone forced him or her to defend him/herself. I'm honestly surprised we don't see more defamation of character lawsuits as a result of the heavy bias of the media in many self defense cases.

Just like I'd really like to see suppressors become common place. I know you can get one with the $200 tax stamp hoops to jump through most places. In a defensive situation it could save your hearing to have one. Of course it's probably not going to happen, just like the other stupid rules probably aren't going away anytime soon.

 

[Sigarms]

3 shot burst should be maintainable though.

When you try it in a 7.62, let me know what you opinion is then.

Keep in mind, I've mentioned nothing about 9mm, .45, or 5.56

Per the original topic, bottom line, if your company does not want you to have firearms on your person, bottom line if you violate company policy, they (the company) has every right to terminate you.

Talking about a stores that won't aloow CC on their property, one reason why I will never go back to Bass Pro Shop. They sell handguns in their stores, but will not allow you to to carry concealed in their store. Talk about *&% hypocrites. Not one single penny of my money will ever be spent with them again.

 

[Soundguy]

When you try it in a 7.62, let me know what you opinion is then..

Well.. I have done it in 7.62x39.. but I somehow guess you are probably refering to it's big brother, nato 7.62x51 / .308.. to which.. no I havn't.

( does 7.63 count? )

Keep in mind, I've mentioned nothing about 9mm, .45, or 5.56

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5.56 / .223 that's a baby round.. if the rifle is of any size, and is a gas operated gun.. you don't even feel recoil. Maybee in a thompson CT 'pistol'.. yeah.. but otherwise... I considder that a varmint cartridge...

soundguy

 

[Sigarms]

Well.. I have done it in 7.62x39.. but I somehow guess you are probably refering to it's big brother, nato 7.62x51 / .308.. to which.. no I havn't.

When I mentioned the M-14, I thought I gave it away, apologies, I now realize I should of been more speciffic.

We're of the same opinion when it comes to the other calibers (9mm, .45 & 5.556) as far as recoil on full auto, thus one reason why I don't feel like it's a waste if I use those calibers on full auto.

However, that said, if I had only one choice on a shoulder rifle, it would be semi auto.

 

[Spiveyman]

...however if the bullet does not hit it's intended target, for myself, it's a wasted round

Well... I'd pretty much never shoot then. I'm not that great of a shot. My wife says it's because I walk my bullets in rather than aim. I CAN aim and hit stuff when I need to, but shooting for me is often as much about pulling the trigger out on the farm and seeing that dust fly up somewhere near the target as it is about actually hitting the target.

That would be the last weapon on my list to use for a self defense situation.

Agreed there, a good shotgun is great for self defense. Besides the media hype, the other thing I'd be worried about is collateral damage. In my neighborhood everyone has vinyl siding, you could shoot through about 8 houses with a .308, even a 9mm fmj could easily catch one of your neighbors. I think about my kinds in the other room, I don't want to take a chance on hitting them.

And if you do want full auto, probably under 1700$ tax tag and title... say like a mac 11/9mm

If/when I get one, I'm thinking M-4 or Thompson for the very reasons Sigarms is talking about. I'm not crazy about the mac's, though I've never shot one. I have a buddy with a mac 10 (I think it is), maybe I'll have him over some time to try it out. He uses it in deer season when he's inspecting his woods for trespassing hunters. He's only run across one person in a stand on his land, and emptied a mag in the base of the tree. That was all about "firing for affect."

Looks like they have come down to me..

I'm certainly not an expert on these things. I also am quite limited in what I look for at shows. I stay to the Colt AR's, DSA FN's... I don't pay much attention to some of the other ones and have never been a big fan of the AK's. I have buddies who love them, just never got used to how they fire. Now that you mention it though some of the other brand AR's are quite reasonable these days, however I sold a "pre-ban" COLT AR Sporter II not too long ago (after the ban expired) for more than I bought it for (during the ban), and bought a Sporter HBAR without the evil lug for about $100 more than I got for the Sporter II. The good mag's don't seem to have come down that much to me, but I only hit shows here in Lex and Louisville.

I'm not sure I would want to fire 7.62 full auto from a standing position

No kidding. That's why the .30 cal machine guns came with the pods, rigth? Isn't the M-60 ~ .30 cal? You have to love the shots of Rambo firing one, one handed while feeding the belt with the other.

when you can shoot up 13$ of ammo in 7 seconds..

Saw a guy at Knob Creek with a mini-gun and a pallet of ammo... a few moments later (BRRRRRRRRRRRR) saw a guy at Knob Creek with a mini-gun and an empty pallet. Crazy amount of lead.

 

[Soundguy]

Neatest thing I've seen at a m-gun shoot was a 22cal lewis gun with a round top drum. ( this isn't one of those dual ruger 10-22's with a hand crank.. ) this was a real 22 cal mgun that had a 1000round drum. It jammed about 2 times.. but turned a wood target to toothpics.. ammo wasn't too bad for it either!!

I got to shoot a mg-34 from a bipod at that shoot as well as an uzi ( didn't like ), and a chinese ak that the mag would drop out of when you stopped fireing. ). I like the mac 10 and 11.. smooth.

Soundguy

soundguy

 

[sandman2234]

I was lucky enough to introduce several friends to each other, and one had a farm south of town that he allowed us to go shoot at. Another had a pawn shop and had been buying class III for years and years, whenever a sheriff would sign. He owned the 4 thompsons that I have shot. Mac 9,10,11 in 380,9 and 45,AC-556,grease guns, if you could buy it, he probably had it, in at least one caliber. He would bring a couple of different ones every time we went to the farm, with plenty of ammo just for us to play. The guy with the farm was into the larger ones, and had the 1919 registered in three different calibers, several Fal's. Most of these guns were purchased back 30 years ago or more when they weren't expensive or hard to get.
My class III collection is small, but having friends that own a bunch of them has allowed me the privledge of shooting a lot of different ones.
I did see one of those Tippan mini 1919's in .22 caliber out in Little Rock,Ar but it wasn't being shot, just displayed. Nice looking gun and cool with it's belt feed.
I started to build one of those Ruger 10/22 duals from scratch. I got the base built and came across the crank/mount part for $40, so I bought it. After getting an AC-556, that had a .22 conversion kit with it, I never bothered putting it together, despite buying the guns for it.
I would prefer a short shotgun over a machinegun for protection also.
When I am bush hog'n on my tractor in the woods, I try to carry a Contender in .410 long colt. Great snake gun(This is a tractor forum?)
David from jax

 

[Podunkadunk]

3 shot burst should be maintainable though.

When you try it in a 7.62, let me know what you opinion is then.

Small bursts with the 60 in the upright position is doable, but cumbersome at best. It's got a bipod (or a mount) for a reason...as you already know. The 60 is really heavy and that weight absorbs a lot of the recoil, but control is virtually impossible without support. Rambo...cracks me up!

My AR-10 is a lot lighter than the 60 (of course), but there's absolutely no aim-control while rapid firing. It's doing nothing but kicking up dust and making a lot of noise, I'd be lucky to hit the broad side of a barn.

Mid 80's in the Navy. SH-3H was the platform.

 

[dmccarty]

Mid 80's in the Navy. SH-3H was the platform.

Fishin' or Hunt'n?

And did ya get Someth'n?

Later,
Dan

 

[mjfox6]

Mid 80's in the Navy. SH-3H was the platform.

Seeing that, all I could think of was Full Metal Jacket...

Private Joker: Any women or children?
Door Gunner: Sometimes!
Private Joker: How can you shoot women or children?
Door Gunner: Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war h***?