legal tow?

[Duffster]

I'm not going to debate how anyone interprets what I posted. The last sentence says it all that the GCWR of both vehicles must be under 26K for a class D operator.

You can't take a minute fraction of what it says and then say that is it.

It's not a matter of interpretation but a matter of literacy.

You can't add a 26K truck and a 10K trailer together.

Sure you can. It says so in #2 of your link.

 

[George2615]

You can't take a minute fraction of what it says and then say that is it.

It's not a matter of interpretation but a matter of literacy.



Sure you can. It says so in #2 of your link.

The link I referred to is for vehicles under 26k. Yes, you can connect a trailer over 10k but to operate with a class D (regular license) the combined weight of both vehicles must be under 26k.
I apologize for not finishing the sentence. I should have said you can't add a 26k truck and a 10k trailer together and drive with a class D license because the combined weight would be 36k which requires a CDL class A.

 

[Duffster]

.I should have said you can't add a 26k truck and a 10k trailer together and drive with a class D license because the combined weight would be 36k which requires a CDL class A.

You are wrong here. That very combination that you describe is indeed a class D vehicle.

From you own attached file from post #16:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/272063-legal-tow.html#post3205710

A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:

A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less,

The 36k combination you describe here is not a class A because the trailer is not over 10k. Being over 26k combined is only half the requirement to make it a class A.

 

[George2615]

You are wrong here. That very combination that you describe is indeed a class D vehicle.

From you own attached file from post #16:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/272063-legal-tow.html#post3205710



The 36k combination you describe here is not a class A because the trailer is not over 10k. Being over 26k combined is only half the requirement to make it a class A.

I've attached the DMV law again and highlighted and underlined the last line which you must not have read. Or maybe you didn't see the 26k or less clauses.
This is the law for Class D regular license.
For a truck over 26K towing a trailer over 10k you do need a class A. Nowhere in the law does it say you can drive a truck over 26K with a regular license. A truck alone over 26k by itself requires at least a class B. A truck over 26k and a trailer under 10k requires a class B. A truck over 26k and trailer over 10k requires a class A. This is fact because I used to drive a truck over 26k which required a class B and could only tow a trailer if it was under 10k. If the trailer was over 10k I would have needed a class A.

 

[Duffster]

I've attached the DMV law again and highlighted and underlined the last line which you must not have read. Or maybe you didn't see the 26k or less clauses.
This is the law for Class D regular license.

That is true when the trailer is over 10k.

The trailer in our 36k example isn't over 10k.

For a truck over 26K towing a trailer over 10k you do need a class A.

Correct.

Nowhere in the law does it say you can drive a truck over 26K with a regular license.

Also correct.

A truck alone over 26k by itself requires at least a class B. A truck over 26k and a trailer under 10k requires a class B.

Again correct.

A truck over 26k and trailer over 10k requires a class A.

Correct again.

This is fact because I used to drive a truck over 26k which required a class B and could only tow a trailer if it was under 10k.

That is true.

If the trailer was over 10k I would have needed a class A

Also true agian. The 36k combo example doesn't match any of the examples you posted here.

Read #2 in your "attached file" again and then tell me why you'd need more then a class D for our 36k example combo.

 

[3930dave]

Some people:

1) Live at No Fixed Address.

2) Don't bother with a DL.

3) Steal vehicles as needed.

While I don't advocate or condone such behaviour, this thread may partially explain that approach...... :scratchchin:

Rgds, D.

 

[George2615]

That is true when the trailer is over 10k.


Also true agian. The 36k combo example doesn't match any of the examples you posted here.

Read #2 in your "attached file" again and then tell me why you'd need more then a class D for our 36k example combo.

Because as a class D operator the GCWR of the both vehicle and trailer must be under 26k as it says at the end. A class D operator cannot drive a vehicle and tow a trailer where the GCWR is over 26k. Read the highlighted area.
I've read it a hundred times and it doesn't change the law. I cannot find any line that says a Class D operator can exceed the 26k limit whether driving a truck solo or truck / trailer combo. Class D can operate a truck up to 26k or truck and trailer as long as they combined are under the 26k limit. 26k is the magic number in NY. Once you go over that you need a different class license. How you interpret the law as written apparently differs. If you are saying I can drive an 18k dump truck and tow a 10k trailer with a class D you are wrong since at 28k the GCWR is over the 26k limit. Even re-reading #2 as you mentioned I can drive a vehicle under 26k and tow a trailer under 10k but the combined weight must be under 26k with a class D.

 

[Duffster]

Because as a class D operator the GCWR of the both vehicle and trailer must be under 26k as it says at the end..

That is not what it says. It says that when the trailer is over 10k.

You can't simply snip part of the sentence and then pretend that is what it says in entirety.

A class D operator cannot drive a vehicle and tow a trailer where the GCWR is over 26k. Read the highlighted area.

The highlighted are only applies when the trailer is over 10k. The trailer in our 36k example isn't over 10k.

I've read it a hundred times and it doesn't change the law. I cannot find any line that says a Class D operator can exceed the 26k limit whether driving a truck solo or truck / trailer combo.

Read the second dot again. Here I will post it for you.

A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less

Notice the truck in our example is 26k or less and it tows another vehicle 10k or less. For a total of 36k.

Class D can operate a truck up to 26k or truck and trailer as long as they combined are under the 26k limit.

There is no 26k limit until the trailer is over 10k.

26k is the magic number in NY. Once you go over that you need a different class license.

You are wrong here and apparently to stubborn to read the very info that you have posted.

If you are saying I can drive an 18k dump truck and tow a 10k trailer with a class D you are wrong since at 28k the GCWR is over the 26k limit.

That is exactly what I am saying and I am correct here. Read number 2 again. There is no absolute 26k limit on a class D.

Even re-reading #2 as you mentioned I can drive a vehicle under 26k and tow a trailer under 10k but the combined weight must be under 26k with a class D.

The only place that it says that it can't exceed 26k is when the trailer is over 10k.

Like wise our 36k example is NOT a class A because the trailer is not over 10k.

 

[pjbci]

Load your trailer and truck up to 35k and proceed to the nearest chicken house (dot weigh station) with your class d and let us know how it goes.....

 

[George2615]

That is not what it says. It says that when the trailer is over 10k.

You can't simply snip part of the sentence and then pretend that is what it says in entirety.



The highlighted are only applies when the trailer is over 10k. The trailer in our 36k example isn't over 10k.

Thanks for pointing out your facts. If you ever come to NY with your scenario truck/ trailer combo don't call me to bail you out of jail.
This State only cares about the last line where the GCWR of both must be under 26k.