Let's talk chains.

   / Let's talk chains. #21  
If you have ever hand filed a Stihl chain and any of their competitors you know that there is something different with the Stihl chain that makes it harder. I don't know if it is more chrome or kryptonite but it is tough stuff and will hold its edge longer than others.
 
   / Let's talk chains. #22  
It is probably due to the amount of chrome on the cutters since chrome is very hard. At my last Oregon chain update we were told that the Oregon pro chain has 3 times the amount of chrome on the cutters as compared to the consumer chain sold at the box stores.
 
   / Let's talk chains. #23  
I use to run oregon chains and they had long life, well so i thought. I went to the dealer to buy new chains and they were all out of bulk Oregon chain but gave me Stihl instead. It cut really good but when it come time to file up, well it was really hard, almost to the point you couldn't file it. Took them back home and ground them, ground different too. I foound that Stihl is one tough chain and holds an edge really well. I skid all my logs out and dirt is a real problem but Stihl IMO outlasts Oregon 2 to 1. Thats all i run now and i grind my chains almost everyday when i'm cutting. Its Stihl or nothing on my saws! . . .John
 
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#24  
Has anyone tried or use the Stihl "Super L" chain? It's the one that requires the square file to sharpen. By looking at the cutters, it seems like it would throw some good size chips. Is there a cutting advantage to this unique Stihl chain?
 
   / Let's talk chains. #25  
Has anyone tried or use the Stihl "Super L" chain? It's the one that requires the square file to sharpen. By looking at the cutters, it seems like it would throw some good size chips. Is there a cutting advantage to this unique Stihl chain?

This type of chain has been around for some time. This is a true "chisel" or square ground chain. What most call chisel chain today is if it has a square corner at the cutter top but the belly or gullet of the cutter is ground round. The chain you are referring to is the fastest cutting chain I've ever used and does especially well with big thick pine or any other kind of big evergreen such as fir and spruce. It needs clean wood however and is really touchy as it applies to sharpening angle and gullet length. It is best sharpened with a grinder. It may cut faster but one wastes alot of time keeping it honed just right. For the average chainsaw user as opposed to pro production, it is a rather pia to own. It is best not to sharpen this chain on logging sight but keep several handy for chain replacement then grind them sharp at home and you had better know what you are doing with the grinder for this type chain. If you are dealing with even the slightest of dirty wood, pass on it all together. Some "pro" stuff gets a reputation and then this info gets disseminated to the general public. Doesn't mean its best for the general public. Rarely do loggers cut up stems for firewood. They cut the tree down, remove the crown and on to the next tree. Give me the fastest cutting chain there is in this instance. They may cut to mill length occasionally but to go down a stem cutting it for firewood, one is much more prone to cutting some dirt on these logs. The company I worked for cut both mill stems and when it got slow, firewood. If I knew it was a firewood day, I'd never bring this chain along.
 
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   / Let's talk chains. #26  
I use to run oregon chains and they had long life, well so i thought. I went to the dealer to buy new chains and they were all out of bulk Oregon chain but gave me Stihl instead. It cut really good but when it come time to file up, well it was really hard, almost to the point you couldn't file it. Took them back home and ground them, ground different too. I foound that Stihl is one tough chain and holds an edge really well. I skid all my logs out and dirt is a real problem but Stihl IMO outlasts Oregon 2 to 1. Thats all i run now and i grind my chains almost everyday when i'm cutting. Its Stihl or nothing on my saws! . . .John

If you are buying Stihl chain, I find it advantageous to also buy Stihl files.
 
   / Let's talk chains. #27  
I am a long-time Stihl user (home and work) and I hand file most of the time for home use.

I am considering purchase of the Stihl bench-mount filing guide. It looks like a short bar, clamps to your shop bench, and has multi-angle file guides and very solid adjustments/settings. I like sharpening chains off of the saw when not in the field, and this device will get consistent angle on the small picco-micro as well as the larger chain sizes, as it adjust for guide width.

Anyone have one, or have any experience with this set-up? It is not cheap, but it looks like it will last forever.
 
   / Let's talk chains. #28  
Used one in my lawnmower repair business when I first started back in 1998. Had good luck with it, still use it to set depth gauges on chains from time to time.
 
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#29  
This type of chain has been around for some time. This is a true "chisel" or square ground chain. What most call chisel chain today is if it has a square corner at the cutter top but the belly or gullet of the cutter is ground round. The chain you are referring to is the fastest cutting chain I've ever used and does especially well with big thick pine or any other kind of big evergreen such as fir and spruce. It needs clean wood however and is really touchy as it applies to sharpening angle and gullet length. It is best sharpened with a grinder. It may cut faster but one wastes alot of time keeping it honed just right. For the average chainsaw user as opposed to pro production, it is a rather pia to own. It is best not to sharpen this chain on logging sight but keep several handy for chain replacement then grind them sharp at home and you had better know what you are doing with the grinder for this type chain. If you are dealing with even the slightest of dirty wood, pass on it all together. Some "pro" stuff gets a reputation and then this info gets disseminated to the general public. Doesn't mean its best for the general public. Rarely do loggers cut up stems for firewood. They cut the tree down, remove the crown and on to the next tree. Give me the fastest cutting chain there is in this instance. They may cut to mill length occasionally but to go down a stem cutting it for firewood, one is much more prone to cutting some dirt on these logs. The company I worked for cut both mill stems and when it got slow, firewood. If I knew it was a firewood day, I'd never bring this chain along.

Thank you for your in depth reply. Makes perfect sense. I'm good at sharpening RSC chains on my saw in the field. I can see where the square cutters would be more touchy to do (getting the right angle). I cut wood for splitting and burning. Not for harvesting. It would be nice to have one for dropping a large tree. When I decide to get a larger saw, I think I'll purchace 1 Super L chain and a grinder for the garage. Thanks again.
 
   / Let's talk chains. #30  
IMO, the "true" chisel chain is best left for the pro racers.

The pro loggers and us who run saws a lot to cut firewood is best served with round ground chisel. While there is a increase in speed with a true square file, the increase is slight. And IMO, just isnt worth the effort involved. Since we arent racing where miliseconds count.

For filing, I like the granberg jig. I dont like going by hand. Too much room for error. And I dont like the benchtop grinders either because that means removing the bar and chain and putting it back on when done. And honestly, I can probabally sharpen my 24" chain faster with a granberg than having to take it off, then sharpen, and then re-assemble. I am only talking like 3-4 minutes topps to sharpen a 24" full comp chain ON THE SAW with a granberg and then you are back in business.

And this last batch of files I bought from baileys I like pretty well. They seem to hold up well. They are Pferd brand. But I also apply a light oil to the file each time as well. Like wd-40. It will make them last longer too:thumbsup:
 

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