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Spring is around the corner (so they say) and I'm thinking plows...

What are the advantages of a 3-point hitch plow over a pull-type plow? Disadvantages? What brands for either type are good? Which brands of either type should I avoid?
 
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Spring is around the corner (so they say) and I'm thinking plows...

What are the advantages of a 3-point hitch plow over a pull-type plow? Disadvantages? What brands for either type are good? Which brands of either type should I avoid?

Mounted plows take advantage of the tractors draft control system. That nets you improved traction as well as easier pulling. Those benefits result in better fuel economy among other things. Mounted plows are much more manueverable/mobile.

The best plows were made by Oliver/White, Ford (who coincidentally contracted production of most of their plows to Oliver) and Massey Ferguson.

Deere plows have traditionally pulled like a boat anchor!
 
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They (john deere) plows pull like anchors is an understatement. However, just turned 4 acres of pasture grass that was not harrow over but once about 3-4 months ago with good results. They work good but the TN75 wouldnt pull a 3 bottom reversing set, or at least not good. The 9540 didnt have any trouble. They have 18" plows I think, maybe 20. Cant remember.

The best were the Fords like farmwithjunk stated. Like to have a reversing set my self or roll over set. I would sell the JD's.

Good results meaning the it looked as if I had harrowed it before. No grass shinning through, no lumps or uneven rows. Looked good. Harrowed over that and it looks really good now.
 
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woohoo,

more talk about what I like to talk about. :)
 
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I've been thinking about a TPH 2 bottom for a while now. I will be working up a shelterbelt to plant 1000 trees this spring. i think plowing then rototilling would be the best option for this project. I have not been able to find much for sale in Alberta (although farm auction season is right around the corner). I have been toying with the idea of building a 16" 2 bottom TPH set. Any thoughts.
 
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I have a single 14" mold board that I bought at a auction for a $100 bucks.
Don't even know the brand but it works great.
I built this one out of large pull type that was rusting away in a pasture on a farm I hunt.
It was free just had to haul it off...
 

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My dad had an old Ford solid beam 3PH 2 bottom 14" that he used on his Jubilee for many years in sandy soil. We always had problems pulling it, so I found a newer single bottom King Kutter or similar style to try. It has it's own issues and has no coulter, but that thing works great behind the Jubilee. The single bottom does a better job in less time than the old Ford plow. So I took the old Ford 2 bottom to use with my Ford 850 and Case DX55. I really took a lot of time to get it set up right, but it still pulls tough. I'm thinking it is sprung and will never pull easily. Keep that in mind when looking for a plow, in case you can see an obvious twisted or bent frame. This one does have a slightly bent upper frame.
I found an old 3PH Ford 101 3 bottom 14" last fall at my dealer, and got it for $300. I have to cut bolts and rebuild it to a 2 bottom yet, but at least it's mostly intact and has a couple coulters. Wear parts are all good except for the landslide, but I might replace them all now while I can still get parts. I'm hoping it will pull easier than the older ford, and last me forever.
 
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I've been thinking about a TPH 2 bottom for a while now. I will be working up a shelterbelt to plant 1000 trees this spring. i think plowing then rototilling would be the best option for this project. I have not been able to find much for sale in Alberta

Probably because there were not many around to began with.:D
 
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I have both.. the 3 point can track straight...the hydrolic can "drift" if you try to float it too much.
 

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I have both.. the 3 point can track straight...the hydrolic can "drift" if you try to float it too much.

The OP was asking about plows if I read it correctly, not discs.

One advantage of the semi mount plow is that it follows the ground contours better then a 3pt mounted plow will.
 
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Here is my JD's. This is right after I bought them. I used them enough to brighten plow, then painted them to keep them from getting so rusted. The paint will come off in about one or two rows. Far better than waiting on all the rust to come off.
 

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Threeman,

edit
never mind,
I asked a stupid question that had already been addressed
:D :eek:
 
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They work good but the TN75 wouldnt pull a 3 bottom reversing set, or at least not good.
What! A TN75 can't pull 3 bottoms? Thats the problem with todays CUT's or UT's. You see those big HP #'s but ther don't mean anything because its not the power to the ground. Heck a Farmall M could pull 3 bottoms and its less than 1/2 the power. Marketing wars have moved us from reality to the biggest claims.
 
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What! A TN75 can't pull 3 bottoms? Thats the problem with todays CUT's or UT's. You see those big HP #'s but ther don't mean anything because its not the power to the ground. Heck a Farmall M could pull 3 bottoms and its less than 1/2 the power. Marketing wars have moved us from reality to the biggest claims.

lets back up here a moment; it would pull it but not as good as you would have hoped. I bought that set from guy who was pulling them with a 6610 II. He pulled them fine. However, drawbar power was probably higher than the TN75. I would estimate that it weighed more as well. I had MFWD so I thought, yeah I can pull them. i did just not very well. It was also in a field that was turned every year so it wasnt hard. The 9540 pulled them through pasture that hasnt been turned in 15yrs. It also had livestock on it for the last 4-5yrs. Can you spelled compacted? It was hard. I also have good soil for planting. About 6-12 inches of top soil, followed by yellow clay. High water table so I have moisture when most dont.

Also the JD's are horrible to pull compared to others. We have a set of Ford 101, 3 bottoms that a 3000 and a 3910 would run off with in same soil that the TN could hardly pull the JD's. Different plow, different angle, different size. Same soil.

I had a good TN75 rops model and traded it for a cab model. Dumb thing. The rops model was a good tractor, or seemed to be. The cab model with every bell and whistle was a piece of crap. It consistantly had something wrong with it. Mostly electrical items, sensors, computer need to cleared of codes, etc. I was fed up bought the Kubota and like it so far. I feel it is balanced better than the TN for pulling since its a tad longer than the TN, so perhaps that is another reason it pulls better.

I pulled the plow, hit a pine stump left years ago by my granddad, and pulled a piece of it up before the bolt broke and sheared the pin. The kubota really didnt miss a beat. The TN would have thrown me against the wheel like the old 3000 would do with a two bottom set plowing fast and the plow didnt trip.

Bottom line, since were talking bottom plows, is makes are differnet, pull different, soil variations are way different even with same set ups, and so are tractors. Its kind of hard to compare unless its all the same.

I forgot one thing. We had a set of 2 bottom JD's cant remember the model number, probably 16" maybe 14" that he 3000 could not pull. Just would bog down. Way to hard on the tractor and lift arms. Traded them and another old oliver set for the Ford 101's. They are three bottoms and work really well with both of the ford tractors. JD's just pull like FWJ stated.
 
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it would pull it but not as good as you would have hoped. I bought that set from guy who was pulling them with a 6610 II. He pulled them fine. However, drawbar power was probably higher than the TN75. I would estimate that it weighed more as well. I had MFWD so I thought, yeah I can pull them.
And you have MFWD to boot! Even more dissapointing. I realize there are a million factors to consider but I would have thoght on the TN's worst day pulling the worst plows in the hardest ground that it would have just glided along with 3 bottoms (especially mounted) considering an M can do it with 3 bottoms pull type with less than 1/2 the power and 2wd.
 
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And you have MFWD to boot! Even more dissapointing. I realize there are a million factors to consider but I would have thoght on the TN's worst day pulling the worst plows in the hardest ground that it would have just glided along with 3 bottoms (especially mounted) considering an M can do it with 3 bottoms pull type with less than 1/2 the power and 2wd.

A TN75 will pull most 3 bottom plows fine in most soils. However, he has a particular plow that doesn't pull very well to allow the tractor go give good results. I pull a 3-14 with a TN65 and have pulled the same plow with a 2wd TN75. Don't get all hung up on this one particular situation where the plow may just be too big and ackward for the TN75 (if I recall he said he figured it had 18" bottoms)
 
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[QUOTEif I recall he said he figured it had 18" bottoms][/QUOTE]

Bottom size is important when comparing how hard ploughs pull!:D

So is the type of soil!:D

So is the moisture content of the soil!:D
 
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The best plows were made by Oliver/White, Ford (who coincidentally contracted production of most of their plows to Oliver) and Massey Ferguson.

Deere plows have traditionally pulled like a boat anchor!

Good Afternoon Bill,
Do you consider the old Dearborn plows that were manufactured for Ford to be Ford plows ? Or not really ! Im refering to the old Dearborn I rebuilt couple of years ago.

Thanks,
 

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The JD's I have also reverse so they are basically a square shape. More plow to drag vs say the Ford moldboards. Sorta like the picture the guys has above this post. More contact more drag. The JD's I have are heavy, big, and bulky. They work ok since I have enough tractor to pull them now, its not a big deal. Just for your reference keep that in mind when buying.

The 9540 is MFWD also. Yes I use it. They just dont pull as well that is the bottom line. Other plows the TN would have pulled but not this set. The moisture was perfect for this situation. If anything a tick on the dry side.

Tip: When trying to "brighten" your plows run them through the wet side of the field first. The wet dirt will polish them faster.

The poster above with the dearborns, I have no idea honestly. FWJ may be able to tell ya. They have a similar look. Probably work fine.
 
 

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